The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

The Incredibles was kinda politically dodgy
― Tuomas, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:28 PM (2 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Suddenly I love The Incredibles.

I hate superhero movies with 'needless violence'

What Incredibles needed was more Vin Diesel.

are all Pixar films created equal though? Is there a Pixar aesthetic*?

*I just imagined some film school grad writing a thesis called "The Pixar Aesthetic."

adult pop cult reference" kids' movie humour

I didn't say anything about adult pop culture...?

Actually has Vin Diesel done any cartoon voices outside of Iron Giant?

adult-level wink-and-nod jokes snuck into the context of a children's film

not really my experience from watching Pixar films, tbh

up, walle, nemo, whatevs

ilx 2000s best of-thread -- the place where people love superbad and hate on pixar.

"adult-level-wink-and-nod jokes snuck into.. a children's film" is not Pixar at all. you're mixing up your stereotypical attacks - those should be directed at the dreamworks movies, who thrive on sexual innuendo and dry, dumb adult jokes inbetween wholly original concepts. pixar movies are good because they don't creat a wall between kids jokes and adult jokes, kids adventure narratives and adult adventure narratives, kids movie emotions and 'real' emotions. they make animated movies in fantasy settings. otherwise they're not 'ostensibly childrens' films' any more than any other g-rated movies

+ btw, Shakey, without all the paratext, my issue with the film wouldn't be the irrationality. it would be that it just sucks and seems to throw in random bullshit that doesn't effect or move me at all.

this goes back to my style exercise point - if you don't like the film's style, you're going to hate it. your hatred of donnie darko is similar to my reaction to magnolia, the royal tennebaums, and a bunch of other indie favorites that rub me the wrong way.

ok I'll let y'all get on with yr pixar bitching now

not really my experience from watching Pixar films, tbh

really. you didn't notice any of these in the Incredibles, which derives a large amount of its humor from the hapless ho-hum middle-class adult lives the heroes are forced to lead.

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omg I love the "shit" list. LOVE

yeah pixar films are virtually free of cheap adult-level in-jokes imo

very interesting if a film outside the hundred did.

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― jed

otm btw

lol this occured 2 me after i posted - was just concerned i missed something for my .xls cuz i have imgs off

feel like we did the ayn rand incredibles is it h8ful bs already and shld go back to talking abt desplechin

just because a film can speak to an adult in different ways than to a child doesn't mean it's winking at them

shakey i dunno, nothing in pixar films w/r/t that sort of thing is different from any animated films ever that are not completely retarded

wholly unoriginal* of course

The Incredibles + Revolutionary Road, my two fave films of the decade that deal with middle class malaise

Why is winking a crime? Bugs Bunny winked. Daffy Duck winked.

I think there are some adult winks in Pixar movies, but I don't get why they would make the movie worse? I'm pretty sure a kid won't get the 2001 Space Odyssey reference in Wall-E, but not getting it shouldn't diminish the enjoyment at all.

I always knew ILX had shit taste in films

Amelie winked.

fuckin porky pig wore no pants, i mean IS ANYONE EVEN LISTENING HERE

we're talking Porky Pig Style now? god this thread IS the entire history of ilx in miniature

its not that the winking-at-adults is bad (lol I love Bugs and Daffy!) its that I don't really use that as a measure of whether an animated film is good or not.

pretty sure nobody here does

bob clampett is no brad bird, it's true

u know what sux SHREK shrek sux can we all agree on that

I mean I see it in Pixar movies and it doesn't really increase me enjoyment of them or make me think OH THIS CLEVER CARTOON IS CLEVER.

But apparently I am misreading WHY people enjoy these movies, if someone wants to offer a spirited defense of the Invisibles have at it. I don't really see that happening here tbh

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it's poignant because she's been saved by her lover and she doesn't even know it...

u know what sux SHREK shrek sux can we all agree on that

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 18:38 (40 seconds ago) Bookmark

yes!

I did like the Iron Giant fwiw.

I'm just not buying the "love one Pixar, you love 'em all" implications the results of this poll are bearing out, that's all.

I like Shrek a lot.

i do hate pixar but i hate just about every other cgi animated feature about 100,000 times more

I liked Cars better than The Incredibles (less Objectivist, more Paul Newman)

I have actually SB'd someone in the last few posts. See if you can guess who.

winking is the worst form of communication known to mankind

^^^lol see the Cars thread for a bunch of ranting from me
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Was that Daft Punk cartoon ever theatrically released? How y'all feel about that one compared with the top finishers?

The thing that I really liked about 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days is that it was bleak in this kinda banal way. It was an interesting contrast with The Lives of Others which dealt with problems of "important people" (freedom of expression, constraints on professional artists). It probably would have been less chilling if I were a guy.

v.tense film

yes it was, and it was a feature length music video

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i.e., the visuals did really nothing to increase my appreciation of the album but theyd be dead in the water w/o the music

you didn't like the story?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/cache.jpg

I thought it was a well done film with a great cast. The cinematography was superb, really beautiful and it tells the story really effectively and makes it aesthetically appealing. Sure a thriller with post imperialistic critique, anti-racism and criticism of voyeurism could very easilly go wrong(ie so many subjects) but this film never does. I like how Haneke is not a preacher, no decider of right and wrong, he just observes and asks but never answers. He's great at writing dialogue, to saturate silence and make the actors act with body and facial expressions is unerring.

I saw this film at the London film festival and Daniel Auteil was there to answer questions after the film. He should be a stand up comic! He's really witty and funny.

The you know what scene is one of the most shocking things I've ever seen on film even though I should've predicted what would happen. The audience seemed to be just as disgusted.

― Lovelace

viscerally effective -- it's not a problem, obv., it's a skill and a strength. his movies create tension and discomfort (often from really mundane elements) in a way that i can enjoy aesthetically even if it's actually kind of unpleasant. but it seems to me that sometimes the physical force of the filmmaking gets mistaken for intellectual force. his ideas aren't necessarily up to his technique.

― gypsy mothra

It is a successful political film as it has made me discuss this issues with people more than I have for years (in particualr French collonialism and its relationship to British and its own people). Does it bring anything but the subject to the party, probably not.

― Pete

Michael Haneke's CACHE (insert your own accent over the e)

#20

Caché
Michael Haneke
2005
Austria/France
(536 points, 21 votes)

But apparently I am misreading WHY people enjoy these movies, if someone wants to offer a spirited defense of the Invisibles have at it. I don't really see that happening here tbh

I enjoyed the incredibles because I thought it was really fun, liked the story and thought all of the characters were original and well-written. I imagine I probably laughed at the same moments that a 5 year old would laugh. I don't remember noticing any inside-adult jokes except maybe "oh that's a map of oakland" and that's not even a joke.

i dont even remember the story! motley crew of leiji matsumoto aliens has adventure?

Next party I attend I will corner someone in the kitchen to discuss French colonialism.

also lol @ shakey writing "the invisibles." now there's a pixar i'd line up for.