The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

okay, i admit, i just hate teenagers

I hereby detract what I wrote about The Departed.

Dorian OTM - I dunno Dan those aren't really criticisms so much as their just ad hominem attacks. I don't really agree with the characterization of the film as "monochrome and mopey" for example - there are tons of jokes!

*retract, rather.

You absolutely can boil down the director's cut of "Donnie Darko": "your family and friends will be better off if you kill yourself". That core message is the main reason I find it so abhorrent.

lol what happened to yr inner goth Dan!

but yeah Kelly has ... issues. DD cut, Southland Tales, the Box - these are things to avoid

i dunno i think that's a good healthy message to send out to people watching the director's cut of "Donnie Darko"

Well, seeing as you seem to find people who like it hideously abhorrent too, I'm surprised you don't agree with that message. At least we'd all be dead.

xpost, ha

If more people killed themselves, there would be less of an audience for Avatar.

one less mouth to feed is one less mouth to feed

now see if dd's secret message is that teenagers kill themselves, i might be all turned around here.

one less mouth to feed is one less mouth to feed

hahaha, my first thought after Alfred's post was to find that Cerebus panel

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8tyNEk-C_Es/SPKMHgC5V7I/AAAAAAAAGVk/JbYOaWBeIV8/s400/amelie1.jpg

One less mouth to feed.

cant think of seeing/reading any real negative opinions of 4m/3w/2d -- wondering aloud, did anyone who has seen it purposefully leave it off their ballot? or is it closer to that only ~22 voters saw it

it's p. great imo

this convo is going to dovetail nicely w/ omar's announcement of The Happening as the next movie on the list

Wasn't on my ballot. Could've been.

i really like richard kelley's movies largely because it feels to me like theyre really interested in attempting to get at ways of feeling - of portraying a kind of overwhelming emotional vérité - w/little 'filter' btw the characters and the audience. i dont really buy tipsy's lens of history thing (although its smart and interesting) bcuz for me his movies hinge on level of identification and immersion that make analytic reading p hard 2 do. also i do think some of the incoherence and lack of subtlety is kelley trying to put us in donnie's shoes~~

i think the box is the best of kelley's movies cuz the emotional immersion is easier and more central to the story. also its the coolest looking but dd is deeply interesting imo ~ kinda feel like h8ing is the ultimate pseud move

My inner goth had stopped pointing guns at his head by age 17, largely because of watching what happened to his family after the accidental death of his older brother. I have no idea what havoc would have been wrought had they had to deal with a suicide, as well.

Everyone reacts to loss differently my reaction was such that I can't imagine that anyone who has lost a close relative, particularly under awful, unnecessary circumstances, wouldn't be incredibly offended not only at the core message of a movie like "Donnie Darko" but how glibly it puts it across.

Ugh, fuck Donnie Darko.

cant think of seeing/reading any real negative opinions of 4m/3w/2d -- wondering aloud, did anyone who has seen it purposefully leave it off their ballot?

*puts hand up*

it's a technical tour de force but so is 'eden lake' or a load of other horror pix i haven't seen

xpost

lamp killing it with the kelly 411

4m/3w/2d not anywhere near my ballot. Most extraordinary element was actor who played the abortionist.

i remember liking donnie darko ok but thinking it had some serious problems.. i havent thought much about it since TBH. hard to imagine hating it with such intensity, but i guess that sort of comes part and parcel with the whole cult movie thing.

fwiw "The Box" looks to be about a bazillion times more interesting that "Donnie Darko"

donnie darko, superbad? i'm going to go kick the cat.

and please no michael clayton, unless this is the poll for greatest performances by a cardboard cutout.

ok, cool re: 4m/3w/2d

otherwise a standard fare american pie copy

except it's actually funny

thought it was like american pie except not funny

What is funny in American Pie? Nothing. That's what. It's one of the most offensively unfunny comedies ever made.

i remember liking donnie darko ok but thinking it had some serious problems.. i havent thought much about it since TBH. hard to imagine hating it with such intensity, but i guess that sort of comes part and parcel with the whole cult movie thing.

― wall•egina (s1ocki), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:32 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

funny thing about movie life in the 00s internet age where blogz & comment box argumentation is a big part of the ecosystem -- the anti-cult! this is a new development, right? a given movie might have had a distributed un-networked tribe of believers in the olden days, but a tribe of haters? that seems like a New Thing.

yeah there aren't really any jokes in American Pie and the acting is uniformly awful

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Seriously, every single time I see a result that excites me, these are the ones you all hate.

the core message of a movie like "Donnie Darko"

i get what you're saying and sympathize, but i think people who like donnie darko just basically don't really think that is the core message of donnie darko. i'm not even sure it has a core message, but for sure i didn't come away from it thinking about teen suicide. among other things his death is much more a christ-figure redemptive move than a "suicide" per se. but also i just don't really think the movie is about his death. it resolves the narrative, but i think it's a big mistake with kelly's movies to invest too much in the narrative.

The fact that anyone could say that American Pie is a better movie than Superbad automatically eliminates the relevancy of any other opinion you could possibly have. The same could said for this equation: "American Pie > x"

American Pie is a greater movie than NOTHING. It doesn't exist, because American Pie is an american shitpile.

no you're rong

"Most extraordinary element was actor who played the abortionist"

He was pretty extraordinary.

superbad? more like supershitpile

basically, the director clearly thinks he made a philosophical masterpiece, when what he did was make a great high school movie.

I agree with the latter point, dunno about the former. I liked donnie darko's sense of game-playing, similar to how I enjoyed greenaway's drowning by numbers, and I wouldn't accuse kelly or greenaway of taking their enterprises very seriously. I mean, it's hard to say somebody thinks they're making a philosophical treatise when their film prominently features a prepubescent dance troupe named sparklemotion performing to duran duran's "notorious".

if there wasn't a sense of fun in donnie darko it would've been pretty unbearable tbh.

the film's a style exercise. if you don't dig it, there's no level of explanation that will make it enjoyable (just like mulholland drive). shakey mo's otm here, and the closest film to DD from a genre standpoint is repo man.

a thousand xposts

American Pie is better than it's reputation. Not necessary super funny, but it's pretty sweet and humane at its heart.

4 months 3 weeks 2 days? more like 4 shitpiles, 3 shitpiles, 2 shitpiles

American Shit Sandwich Pie

It's kinda funny putting the words "shit sandwich" into movie titles... "Requiem For A Shit Sandwich" is making me laugh right now.

sounds like you could one day write a movie as funny as superbad

funny thing about movie life in the 00s internet age where blogz & comment box argumentation is a big part of the ecosystem -- the anti-cult! this is a new development, right? a given movie might have had a distributed un-networked tribe of believers in the olden days, but a tribe of haters? that seems like a New Thing.

― goole

i think what happened here is that the "cult" phenom got co-opted just like the notion of "alternative" music; with the rise of sundance and other factors, movies were sold and shilled for as cult and there was a reaction.

I am pretty certain that notorious flops like "Ishtar" and "Waterworld" had vociferous legions of scornful detractors well before people started blogging.

I wouldn't accuse kelly or greenaway of taking their enterprises very seriously. I mean, it's hard to say somebody thinks they're making a philosophical treatise when their film prominently features a prepubescent dance troupe named sparklemotion performing to duran duran's "notorious".

greenaway and his critical followers (might be a UK thing... an 80s UK thing coz he really fucked the dog with 'baby of macon' iirc) take him very seriously indeed. the second sentence is otm. kelly is a p chill bro, so far as i can tell from the commentaries etc. his films are quite goofy.

with the rise of sundance and other factors, movies were sold and shilled for as cult and there was a reaction.

this goes back probably to the 70s, but definitely to the 80s -- repo man and whatnot.

cant think of seeing/reading any real negative opinions of 4m/3w/2d -- wondering aloud, did anyone who has seen it purposefully leave it off their ballot?

i did ~ its a great movie but not a movie that i really loved i guess? glad it placed so high tho

it's hard to say somebody thinks they're making a philosophical treatise when their film prominently features a prepubescent dance troupe named sparklemotion performing to duran duran's "notorious".

srsly - as much as i like donnie darko i mostly like it bcuz its really funny

You absolutely can boil down the director's cut of "Donnie Darko": "your family and friends will be better off if you kill yourself". That core message is the main reason I find it so abhorrent.

― Michael Steele, the first black Superman (HI DERE), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:19 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

granted, I haven't seen the DC of donnie darko, but this is a fundamental misreading of the movie

sounds like the film touched off some personal issues for you so I'm treading carefully here, but if you're going to have a problem with every film where a character sacrifices himself to save the others you're eliminating a pretty wide swath of movies

Eternal Shitshine of the Shitless Shit

sometimes I doubt ILX's commitment to sparklemotion

A Shiteous Man

closest film to DD from a genre standpoint is repo man

whoah can't believe that didn't occur to me earlier! very true