The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

guys here's something to think about what if jake's characters mom had gotten an abortion before the airplane engine in donnie darko??

That doesn't change the fact that "Donnie Darko" as I saw it, is a fucking waste of time and pretty much on par in the "so busy thinking it's clever that it isn't noticing that it is actually entirely fucking stupid and awful and an outright abortion of a film that is a crime against art" stakes as bullshit like "Magnolia" and "The Hours".

OTM alert

y'all probably like requiem for a dream, too

"if we just make everything monochrome and mopey, people who are looking to appear smart in order to cover up for feeling like everyone hates them will fill in enough blanks and finish off our story for us".

casting entirely hypothetical aspersions onto people who enjoy a particular cultural artifact is um really lazy criticism sorry

What if Richard Kelly's mom got an abortion before he directed Southland Tales?

i found 'three months, two weeks' or whatever it's called very gripping, but it hasn't stayed with me too much.

y'all probably like requiem for a dream, too

marlon wayans' finest dramatic effort, maybe jared leto's too if i dare say

Yay 4 Months! I was thinking earlier this morning that it was probably out of the running.

requiem for a dream wasn't very gripping, but marlon wayans weeping over his mama has really stuck with me

tv is evil
inspirational speakers can be kiddie diddlers
being a young person is a time of great sadness

morbs do u ever say anything like it's your opinion rather than objective fact?

These are all our opinions, Einstein.

Armond White correct: Romania overrated.

I hated Magnolia, Crash, Requiem for a Dream, and the Hours and don't see what any of those films have in common with Donnie Darko (which tbf doesn't have much in common with ANY other films at all, its such a weird mishmash)

Sort of like that the tensest scene of 4/3/2 is an otherwise jovial family dinner.

highly recommend 4 months 3 wks 2 days, it's pretty incredible and kinda doesn't end up where you think it will. the armond white review linked in the romanian new wave thread is one of those reviews which reveals him as the subhuman he is fwiw.

David Lynch doesn't go around handing out Cliffnotes.

true. tbh there are not very many directors who i really want to hear explain their movies to me.

(that's for us to do.)

obv it would get tedious if we all had to make this clear every time, but i said ever. over the course of a whole thread you just come off as childish to me.

Decaderious resolution for the '10s: Move beyond Armond.

"Requiem For A Dream" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Donnie Darko"

I hated Magnolia, Crash, Requiem for a Dream, and the Hours and don't see what any of those films have in common with Donnie Darko (which tbf doesn't have much in common with ANY other films at all, its such a weird mishmash)

I'm not really sure how "so busy thinking it's clever that it isn't noticing that it is actually entirely fucking stupid and awful and an outright abortion of a film that is a crime against art" and "if we just make everything monochrome and mopey, people who are looking to appear smart in order to cover up for feeling like everyone hates them will fill in enough blanks and finish off our story for us" were ambiguous in my original post.

stoked for 4m3w2d, one of the most visceral film experiences i've ever had.

Pleased we've mostly made it through this thread without worrying our pretty little heads about Crash.

Anamaria Marinca as Otilia best performance of the decade

Dan, you saw a diff movie than the DD ppl voted for is my understanding.

I did note that after my rant!

xpost I don't think you can boil Donnie Darko down to one message the way you can with Crash ("we are all a bit racist") or Requiem ("don't do drugz") - it's not fundamentally about the dark underbelly, blah blah blah. It's the collision of diverse genres and ideas that makes it interesting.

okay, i admit, i just hate teenagers

I hereby detract what I wrote about The Departed.

Dorian OTM - I dunno Dan those aren't really criticisms so much as their just ad hominem attacks. I don't really agree with the characterization of the film as "monochrome and mopey" for example - there are tons of jokes!

*retract, rather.

You absolutely can boil down the director's cut of "Donnie Darko": "your family and friends will be better off if you kill yourself". That core message is the main reason I find it so abhorrent.

lol what happened to yr inner goth Dan!

but yeah Kelly has ... issues. DD cut, Southland Tales, the Box - these are things to avoid

i dunno i think that's a good healthy message to send out to people watching the director's cut of "Donnie Darko"

Well, seeing as you seem to find people who like it hideously abhorrent too, I'm surprised you don't agree with that message. At least we'd all be dead.

xpost, ha

If more people killed themselves, there would be less of an audience for Avatar.

one less mouth to feed is one less mouth to feed

now see if dd's secret message is that teenagers kill themselves, i might be all turned around here.

one less mouth to feed is one less mouth to feed

hahaha, my first thought after Alfred's post was to find that Cerebus panel

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8tyNEk-C_Es/SPKMHgC5V7I/AAAAAAAAGVk/JbYOaWBeIV8/s400/amelie1.jpg

One less mouth to feed.

cant think of seeing/reading any real negative opinions of 4m/3w/2d -- wondering aloud, did anyone who has seen it purposefully leave it off their ballot? or is it closer to that only ~22 voters saw it

it's p. great imo

this convo is going to dovetail nicely w/ omar's announcement of The Happening as the next movie on the list

Wasn't on my ballot. Could've been.

i really like richard kelley's movies largely because it feels to me like theyre really interested in attempting to get at ways of feeling - of portraying a kind of overwhelming emotional vérité - w/little 'filter' btw the characters and the audience. i dont really buy tipsy's lens of history thing (although its smart and interesting) bcuz for me his movies hinge on level of identification and immersion that make analytic reading p hard 2 do. also i do think some of the incoherence and lack of subtlety is kelley trying to put us in donnie's shoes~~

i think the box is the best of kelley's movies cuz the emotional immersion is easier and more central to the story. also its the coolest looking but dd is deeply interesting imo ~ kinda feel like h8ing is the ultimate pseud move

My inner goth had stopped pointing guns at his head by age 17, largely because of watching what happened to his family after the accidental death of his older brother. I have no idea what havoc would have been wrought had they had to deal with a suicide, as well.

Everyone reacts to loss differently my reaction was such that I can't imagine that anyone who has lost a close relative, particularly under awful, unnecessary circumstances, wouldn't be incredibly offended not only at the core message of a movie like "Donnie Darko" but how glibly it puts it across.

Ugh, fuck Donnie Darko.

cant think of seeing/reading any real negative opinions of 4m/3w/2d -- wondering aloud, did anyone who has seen it purposefully leave it off their ballot?

*puts hand up*

it's a technical tour de force but so is 'eden lake' or a load of other horror pix i haven't seen

xpost

lamp killing it with the kelly 411

4m/3w/2d not anywhere near my ballot. Most extraordinary element was actor who played the abortionist.

i remember liking donnie darko ok but thinking it had some serious problems.. i havent thought much about it since TBH. hard to imagine hating it with such intensity, but i guess that sort of comes part and parcel with the whole cult movie thing.

fwiw "The Box" looks to be about a bazillion times more interesting that "Donnie Darko"

donnie darko, superbad? i'm going to go kick the cat.

and please no michael clayton, unless this is the poll for greatest performances by a cardboard cutout.

ok, cool re: 4m/3w/2d