The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

the new world is a bit of a mess and inconsistent. almost treading on noble savage territory, v. little depth, not really illuminating at all but I love it. pretty hard to praise it properly though. it is superficial and its also crazy alive.

well i had it really close to my face, give me a break

LOL

I think it's glib to dismiss BBM... as a political movie.

the marketing and aggressive politicking around this movie don't do it any favors tbf

I think it's glib to dismiss BBM... as a political movie.

the marketing and aggressive politicking around this movie don't do it any favors tbf

― mark kerfuffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, February 9, 2010 10:37 PM

yeah, well homosexuality is implicitly political these days, it seems. I don't remember and marketing that suggested a political angle. That may have been the public perception/reaction when it came out, though...

I guess I need to rewatch The New World. All I can remember is not understanding a single goddamn word anyone was saying.

My ambivalence towards BBM these days, btw, does NOT extend to the performances. Ledger is fantastic, and should have won THAT Oscar.

I think one reason i prefer TTRL to TNW is that the war setting sort of "heightens the contradictions" of malick's style. Filming a situation of absolute fear and desperation in that manner makes it pretty unique.

Probably also why, for me: TTRL/Badlands > TNW/Days of Heaven. But I love them all.

"I think one reason i prefer TTRL to TNW is that the war setting sort of "heightens the contradictions" of malick's style. Filming a situation of absolute fear and desperation in that manner makes it pretty unique.

Probably also why, for me: TTRL/Badlands > TNW/Days of Heaven. But I love them all."

I think the combination of "first experience of an alien world" and Malick's elegiac/mythic style is pretty awesome, too.

"TTRL/Badlands > TNW/Days of Heaven"

This is basically the exact order of preference for me.

I voted TNW pretty high, but I didn't even think it was gonna place. very excited about the new one.

ps days of heaven >> ttrl >>>> badlands / tnw

ttrl? i cannot keep track of all the abbreviations anymore!

oh, the thin red line.

ttrl = Talk To Reverend Later

15 votes...that must be among highest point ratios yet

It's weird. I think TTRL is a masterpiece and all, but I'd probably rather watch TNW, which I definitely don't love, just about any given day.

Oh, man, was out trying to get a job today, and I come back and my #1 (Rachel Getting Married), which I at this point thought had no shot, has placed! Love that fucking movie.

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I saw this and loved it and everyone missed the point!

I think the real context is resurgent japanese militarism, the revival of imperial traditions, etc. and BR isn't to "punish" youth so much as toughen them up and teach them to be STRONG and the sweet flashback/death thing gets used all the time in Japanese stuff esp. w/r/t WWII and the whole thing is about the impending sense of moral tragedy and defeat and pure cruelty of the imperial mindset.

I mean... kids sent out to die? It's like a crude crude metaphor for a draft!

The uncle who was the 60s radical shoulda been another clue.

― Sterling Clover

not nearly as squeamish as i'd thought, i'm sorta surprised anybody could take this one seriously because once takeshi lets them go 90% of it is standard slasher movie / gangster movie setups and payoffs. well, except everybody is a slasher.

― moonship journey to baja

I felt the pacing at the beginning was spot-on, actually, I thought you were talking about the later stages of the film, like the scenes in the lighthouse and back inside the school.

The speed with which everything is executed at the exposition, I felt, was to give the viewer the same disoriented and panicked feeling of the students. From the introduction of Beat's character to the moment they started handing out the equipment bags I was nervous almost to the point of nausea. I didn't get comfortable again until after the first couple of deaths outside, after which I fell into a kind of pessimistic rhythm.

― Millar

thought BR wasn't as good as the portrayal i had in my head of what it was going to be like but then some of it i loved - the two transfer students were brilliant and the fat kid at the start and the technical kids

i was lucky enuff to get 1 of the limited t-shirt prints tho

― james

i am a big fan of japanese women i think they either fall in to the catagory of "foxy as hell" or "hmmm nope no way" and there dress sense is amazing

― james

Battle Royale
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=18077
'Battle Royale' vs 'Massacre at Central High'

#31

Battle Royale
Kinji Fukasaku
2000
Japan
(450 points, 19 votes)

lol james

a+ quote hunting there

odd that that placed so high... I mean I liked it okay but basically forgot most of it, whereas the book has def stayed with me in an intense way.

I haven't forgotten that movie at all.

this was a good movie. expert thrills and shocks, hints at depth in the regimented society in crisis, hardcore militaristic response to moral panic, dynamics of teen cliques & friendships. not top 100 of decade tho.

Where is #30?

patience.........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/kill_bill_vol_1.jpg

Saw it last night. Wife and I both loved it. My wife is Japanese and she giggled through most of the Japanese language scenes because the acting was so hammy (in her words). It's basically an over-the-top, funny, violent comic book movie - if you believe that "funny" and "violent" can coexist. If not, avoid. My fave stuff, though:

1) GO-GO! She steals the movie, IMHO, and her duel scene with The Bride is the highlight of the final big fight sequence.

2) The rockin' handclap/kick/synth(?) track that played as the anime O-ren Ishii was rooftop sniping. If this is a RZA track I just want an entire cd of this type of shit. If it's not RZA -- who is it?

: related note : I was surprised at the non-Wuness of the incidental music. Really simple yet suspenseful use of sounds with nary an MPC beat in sight.And that Morricone music *swoon*!

3) The orange skies fake ass airplane scenes.

Good movie. Can't wait to see it again.

― Jay Vee

I am holding Tarantino personally responsible for the debacles in Iraq and the Occupied Territories and am having a ceremonial sword specially made to cleave him neatly into two pieces which I will then have fried by a short-order chef who looks a bit (wink! wink!) like Charlie Chan and served up to his gormless fans in between two pieces of tasteless American bread.

― Momus

One of the things that's great about Kill Bill is that the women aren't sexualized at all, the way "Amazon assassins" (Momus's words) are in the great majority of action movies, comic books, TV shows, etc. -- whether they're heroes or villains, women are usually "dangerously sexy," fight in bikinis, seduce men before they kill them, etc. Not in this movie. And no, they're not "women as we know them on planet Earth" -- but neither is anyone, man or woman, in an action movie that's going to entertain us with violence, rather than disturb us.

― Sam J.

the best thing here is how when stencil pointed out that Momus doesn't hold up Bounce Ko Gals as representative of some terrible rot within Japanese society, or Baise-Moi as indicative of some deep yahoo strain inherent within French culture, Momus responds by tossing off a flip line about how Baise-Moi wasn't to his liking and then ignores the rest of the point. If Momus were a misanthrope, his point would stand, but since he only thinks one culture is worth indicting...God I loved this thread, it had its own sadistic appeal to it

― J0hn Darn1elle

Come anticipate Kill Bill with me

#30

Kill Bill: Vol. 1
Quentin Tarantino
2003
United States
(452 points, 21 votes, 1 first place)

Did you just accidentally reveal #27 and got it deleted?

that kill bill one is a classic thread btw

#27? i don't even have the quotes or jpg ready...

can't wait to see what's next!

Well, there certainly was something here that was deleted... But if it's supposed to come later, I won't spoil it.

surprised that inglourious basterds is gonna (presumably) beat out the kill bills

#29 was "deleted".

xp I'm not surprised at all.

tuomas don't be the guy who points out the smell when someone farts and everyone else in the room has made an unspoken pact to ignore it.

sorry to jump back a whole bunch, but i saw "Out of the Past" last night and had to check and make sure "A History of Violence" wasn't some sort of remake of it. very similar minus the femme fatale part.

In this small dose, Momus on KB is pretty hysterical.

i though we already had kill bill? shit n e way

I've never heard of Battle Royale. Those quotes are all over the place and don't give any real clues either

xp I'm not surprised at all.

me neither. upon second viewing I'm inclined to rate IB over almost everything else he's done, with possible exception of Jackie Brown.

also lolz @ momus

x-post

Oh come one, even my posh aunt couldn't ignore that!

(x-post to Strongo)

We had KB2.

I'm curious, though: Did anyone vote for it as one movie? (Same question applies to the LOTR and Bourne movies.)

Your posh aunt, who said the rhyme, is the one who did the crime.

momus' taste in american trash was always so...confusing.

not that I don't love IB, I just figured Kill Bill 1 had a good shot at the top 10

i mean if you take away the "i like whoever's ass i'm currently trying to kiss" shit.

no votes for all the bourne films or all the lotr films. however, the only films that people either requested a single vote for both were the grindhouse ones (which also had votes for each film separately.) i didn't have any votes for kill bill as a whole film, though one person voted for "kill bill" (i just counted that vote for vol. 1 since they didn't specify.)

Maybe one I'll watch the Kill Bills. I remember just being disappointed at Tarantino: I thought he'd found a way out of making genre pastiches with Jackie Brown, which I really liked, but then it seemed he went straight back there with KB. And the following movies haven't convinced me of seeing them either. I guess they're good pastiches though, for getting so many votes?

They're good-to-great movies.