Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

done w/season 4 and making headway into season 5. weird how the synopses i read of s4 made basically zero sense but watching it i was like 'yeah ok i get it'. esp funny moment in s5 was hurley explaining to his dad what REALLY happened while he was missing. at least the producers know that the show is just OTT

...which seems like the show's main strength? like it just assaults you with ridiculous nonsense but yr willing to roll with it cuz, you know, it's fun

― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Tuesday, February 9, 2010 12:11 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

why would you read synopses before you watched it?!

just seriously smh-ing at your lost style

kate pretty much is the embodiment of 'unhealthy attraction' at least for someone like me. i've spent most of lost wanting to like her as a character, if only to justify the fact that i think she's really attractive. which i'm guessing is a deliberate move on the producers' parts? she's cute, she's funny and charming sometimes, handy with a gun, good at tracking (?), etc., but really she's just a big fat dickhead

i don't really "like" any characters on lost so not feeling the kate-hate.

slocki: because i wasn't sure if i was gonna watch s4/5 or just read as much as i could and watch s6 real time.

right now i'm doing it desmond style. i've seen part 1 of LAX, i've skimmed this thread, and i'm heading into s5.

if anything my lost style is even more ~hxc~ than anyone else's

kate pretty much is the embodiment of 'unhealthy attraction' at least for someone like me. i've spent most of lost wanting to like her as a character, if only to justify the fact that i think she's really attractive. which i'm guessing is a deliberate move on the producers' parts? she's cute, she's funny and charming sometimes, handy with a gun, good at tracking (?), etc., but really she's just a big fat dickhead

^^ pretty much OTM, although the thing that makes that fall down is that post-island Kate actually grew and matured into a sensible, respectable person who was wasn't like a turbocharged wrong-decision-making machine ping-ponging between penises

yeah i guess that's true. which, of course, made me like her again.

she's just quite boring. she brings fewer lols than any other character along with Sun. but Sun is more likeable by default, just by getting less coverage.

haha i fucking hated off island kate

shes the most boring character by a long shot--of all the characters she has the least to do w/ the island mythology (both on and off the island) & episodes with her do nothing to answer the shows big questions

tbh "bringing lols" is not the most important criterion for a good character in my book

yeah i was going to say, if you look back at which character has been the most complete waste of time wrt any progression in the story, its kate. xpost

maybe not but everyone else manages to have some fun

also i usually cheer on fugitives making desperate escapes but now i just want to see kate behind bars. alongside other women i suppose that's how it would work (haven't really thought about it).

also, the subplots/relationships that kate is a part of are the WORST parts of the show--i.e. love triangle, whose baby is it, etc

plus "being hot" is hardly a better criterion for good character!

Also Kate clearly fits into the Island's schemes as one of the primary motivators of action between Jack and Sawyer; half of the shit they decided to do wouldn't have occurred without the element of posturing for her approval (Locke too, to a lesser degree; that obv. wasn't going to happen but he still did just as much posturing with/against Jack for her benefit as anyone else).

I mean, you might as well ask "Why was Charlie on the Island?" or "Why was Jin on the Island?" if direct impact upon the Island itself is primary to why they are interesting characters. I think the Island is a big part of the story but it's not the only part, and I think everyone in the cast has done a good job of creating a character who fits into the wider story; I don't think the show would have worked at all without any of the original characters, and the characters they've added have supported that foundation nicely (sole exceptions being Nikki and Paolo, and even they ended up redeeming themselves character- and story-wise by getting buried alive).

I think the Island is a big part of the story but it's not the only part

youre right--it is the only good part

also i would be happy if jack, kate and sawyer all died after the second season

sawyer? really?

fuck yes.

sawyer/juliet pairing is possible series nadir

no because they were a much more likeable (yet unlikely) couple than Jack and Kate. and La Fleur is actually a good episode.

wow, ppl really hate happiness in their dramatic action

i am sort of exaggerating here, its not like i dont see what sawyer/jack/kate/juliet bring to the table--but the series insistence on treating them like main characters at the expense of the interesting/funny/mysterious characters--is its weakest link by a long shot

sorry what happiness have those four ever brought to the series? its just melodrama melodrama melodrama with them

hating on Sawyer/Juliet = flirting with SB imo

HA GUYS REMEMBER TACO NIGHT W KATE

i think my biggest prob with kate is the fact that her sole purpose as a character has been fuck up and derail progression in the plot. and yeah, that happens A LOT in this show, but i really think she has been the primary drag things out tool for the writers.

xposts but once you put those interesting/funny/mysterious characters more into the spotlight they surely lose those attributes. catch 22.

Sawyer's transformation into a successful leader and his stable, happy relationship with Juliet is what I was thinking about there. Kate and Jack, especially together, exist only to create melodrama in others; that's sort of their function in the story.

sawyer also brings great nicknames

lol "progression in the plot."

I remember Taco night. LOST needs more Nathan Fillion.

xposts but once you put those interesting/funny/mysterious characters more into the spotlight they surely lose those attributes. catch 22.

― mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, February 9, 2010 12:39 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

how? why? funny is still funny 10 episodes later. and if you cant maintain an interesting character over 4 22-episode seasons... well maybe you shouldnt be writing for TV?

sawyer and juliet are the most defensible of the poor four but only because sawyers lolsy nicknames and that season where juliet was mysterious and untrustworthy

so you're saying maybe the lost guys shouldn't be writing for tv...?

dude u can't b funny all the time. sometimes ur just a fat dude who sees dead people.

haha yeah, kind of xp

Sawyer/Juliet rules imo - and any melodrama with them is entirely kate's fault.

i mean the real problem is that its 22-episode seasons instead of 12-episode seasons

max i'd love to see you write good TV instead of CD artwork or whatever it is you do

zinging is my art

Sawyer and Juliet get a pass for me if only because "LaFleur" was one of the show's best episodes.

i'm serious btw

I like Jack's dramatic arc. He started out with all of the hallmarks of the archetypal capable leader and has had pretty much every vestige of that beaten out of him by his experiences both at home and on the Island until he's basically a wild-eyed maniac operating purely on whim and instinct. (also Jack sobbing is always reliably awesome entertainment)

Kate's story is the exact opposite of Jack's; I'm very interested in seeing if she remembers how put together she was post-Island now that she's firmly back in the mix.

OH JEEZ A KATE EPISODE HOW LAME getting posted 634 times is going to get a little tedious though

― some dude, Tuesday, February 9, 2010 12:02 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

keep it up, guys, 580 more posts to go

i would love someone to give me a couple million bucks to make a good sci fi show but not even nbc is that dumb

Kate annoys me because she always wants to go along when other people are going somewhere, even when it would make more sense for her to stay put, and because she never tells people important pieces of information about herself or things she's discovered even when it would be logical and right and plot-forwarding to do so because she has so many freaking issues. But she will never, ever be as irritating as Jack, so I ain't mad at her.

big ideas max

And if it weren't for Jack being such a weeping yutz all the time, the show would only be two seasons long, and I really enjoyed 4/5 of the previous seasons, so I guess I'm not too mad at him, either.

I think if Kate started taking control, as she was originally supposed to before the writers backed off from their idea of killing Jack in the first 15 minutes, people would be a lot more positive about her.

also, lest we all forget: wau (linked because hueg)