The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

i'm not saying it should never have been made - i'm saying that those who object to its portrayal of women, and the abortion issue should have a problem with the film, itself, rather than just the way it does/doesn't portray those issues, because the film is not about that.

what's wrong with the way it portrays women?

sympathy for lady vengeance is such a shitty movie, one of the worst follow-ups either. (thirst is even worse). i liked old boy mostly but in general this dude is bogus.

I liked Thirst too.

Cause women have to justify themselves if they choose not to get an abortion.

If a movie has a woman in a situation where she has every reason to get an abortion, it'd would kinda internally logical to at least explain why she doesn't. It's not just a political issue, it's a flaw in writing a character.

I also voted for Joint Security Area. Yay for bogus Korean directors!

nobody liked Save My Green Planet?

women can choose to do what they want as long as they justify it to tuomas

That's fair.

Forty-year-old Virgin?????? This is easily the most mystifyingly highly-placed film so far.

I think it was an important film with regards to Hollywood comedies if nothing else.

It changed the game, man.

anchorman wayyyy overrated

3 more to go for the day....

If a movie has a woman in a situation where she has every reason to get an abortion, it'd would kinda internally logical to at least explain why she doesn't. It's not just a political issue, it's a flaw in writing a character.

I think maybe she just kind of decided almost immediately at some level that she wanted to have the kid. I think its not unrealistic to think that happens sometimes. It would have been a very different movie, tonally and otherwise, if it had grappled with the issues around abortion, and it seems a bit unfair to criticize the filmmakers for not making a different movie than the one they set out to make.

These results are like a fantasy sports draft, and we just had a run on closers.

What was that german movie where, SPOILER, this family is contemplating aborting, but they end up deciding not to, and it turns out their baby is hitler?

i believe that's the seminal german film "Our Bad"

I think maybe she just kind of decided almost immediately at some level that she wanted to have the kid. I think its not unrealistic to think that happens sometimes.

co-sign. I know plenty of liberal women for whom aborting the kid wouldn't cross their minds.

And I don't think the movie criticizes, even implicitly, anyone who finding themselves in a similar situation but feeling very differently about it might make the other choice. So I don't think it's pro-life propaganda.

Are any documentaries going to make the cut outside Grizzly Man & Capturing the Friedmans? I'm starting to think not.

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Clive Owen is ace. He was around my flat for a photo shoot - nice guy.

― suzy

I liked Gosford Park, one of Altman's good ones. With an ensemble cast that large it is difficult to to let any one character dominate, though as he showed in Cookie's Fortune one actor pitching it at a completely different level (Glenn CLose's histrionics) can knock the whole film out of whack. That doesn't happen here. The only actor who really does anything diferent is the aforemnetbtioned Owen, who seems to have brooding down toa fine art now.

Kelly Macdonald as our nominal viewpoint character and girl detective also stood out. All in all a nice, tight engaging film. Perhaps slightly let down by its quite poor mystery element (I did not really care who did it and the denoument was unbelievable), and the vague idea of what this cast could have done if it had been a Wodehouse plot. Still, excellent work.

― Pete

yeah, it's great. what i love is the inversion of the manor-murder setup that forms the basis of all the commentary. rather than introducing the dramatis personae clearly and showing us the lines of relation to each other, into which the murder is inserted as an unknown; the murder is obvious and pretty boring (and it's late in the movie! like 2/3rds in!) even to the characters, but the status and even identities of the characters remain foggy even at the end (ok, who is who's kid? uh, ok that guy wanted this from, wait, i think...) and old bastard getting whacked is easy to understand but class/gender/nationality are a mess.

― g--ff

My wife, a bit of an anglophile, felt that underneath it all this film had much more of an American sensibility - maybe because of all the focus on the class stuff and the particular expression of the distaste for the idea of servants

― Hurting 2

yeah that's fair play. the irony is that 'gosford park' was written by a wealthy conservative aristo guy who probably has servants. whereas there are plenty of brits who have written works of fiction about the beastly upper classes and their treatment of servants. (of course there have been plenty who have not really seen servant-keeping as a social ill.)

― history mayne

gosford park

#43

Gosford Park
Robert Altman
2001
United States/United Kingdom
(379 points, 18 votes)

Oldboy was in my top 5. The only bit I would cut out would be that girl's incredibly whiney voice. Other than that, it's near-perfect.

hahahaha @ omar incl that suzy post

lol

love this movie so much

if anyone knows who has my dvd of it please webmail me

haha herein i am qtd at the time praising a movie that earlier today i forgot which decade it was made

haha omar!

I like Gosford Park, but Stephen Fry being unnecessarily bumbling knocks it down a notch.

And I don't think the movie criticizes, even implicitly, anyone who finding themselves in a similar situation but feeling very differently about it might make the other choice. So I don't think it's pro-life propaganda.

― o. nate, Monday, February 8, 2010 10:32 PM

I don't think it's pro-life propaganda so much as a sad reflection on a world where women like her have to settle for men like him

just had to remind myself that Knocked Up hasn't actually placed on this list.

Gosford is excellent. I like the inclusion of the bumbling detective.

a sad reflection on a world where women like her have to settle for men like him don't let me impregnate them

Gosford Park is one of those movies that requires multiple viewings

I hope Knocked Up doesn't even place thus making this entire stupid discussion even more pointless.

I don't think it's pro-life propaganda so much as a sad reflection on a world where women like her have to settle for men like him

― Dan S, Monday, February 8, 2010 5:38 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think it's a joyous reflection on a world where men like me have a chance with women like her

Maybe its just that I was tired when I saw it & I should probably give it another chance b/c, even tho I'll mostly rep for Altman in general (MASH is also overrated imo), I thought Gosford Park was just fucking boring.

slocki you run a porn site?

Ryan Philippe and Kristen Scott Thomas = rowr.

guys btw can we not talk at torturous length about movies that haven't placed yet

guys btw can we not talk at torturous length about movies that haven't placed yet

― ('_') (omar little), Monday, February 8, 2010 4:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

a freudian slip?

MASH is also overrated imo

Maybe the only overrated Altman imo, though Gosford does come close. Still, more overrated movies ought to be this extremely good.

I dunno how much of a slip that is, I think it's pretty obv that it'll place

I sorta thought people generally stopped caring about Knocked Up once Superbad came out. (Comments here have disabused me of that idea.)

guys btw can we not talk at torturous length about movies that haven't placed yet

― ('_') (omar little), Monday, February 8, 2010 4:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

a freudian slip?

― vincent gallogina (J0rdan S.), Monday, February 8, 2010 5:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

NICE.

gosford was very good! i particularly liked.. what's her name, the countess? the older lady who was constantly insulting everyone to their faces. she is a treat.

Maggie Smith?

gosford park to me is an example of sensibilities clashing productively.

Like ILX.

yes, maggie smith. SO FUNNY.

Lady Sylvia McCordle: Tell us about the film you're going to make.
Morris Weissman: Oh, sure. It's called "Charlie Chan In London". It's a detective story.
Mabel Nesbitt: Set in London?
Morris Weissman: Well, not really. Most of it takes place at a shooting party in a country house. Sort of like this one, actually. Murder in the middle of the night, a lot of guests for the weekend, everyone's a suspect. You know, that sort of thing.
Constance: How horrid. And who turns out to have done it?
Morris Weissman: Oh, I couldn't tell you that. It would spoil it for you.
Constance: Oh, but none of us will see it.

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Like Hawks, Ray, and the early Fellini and Scorsese, Kathryn Bigelow understands how to photograph men in crisis — even when the most heartrenching crisis of her early work is whether cop Keanu Reeves will allow bank robber Patrick Swayze one more chance to ride a wave before arresting him in Point Break. Fuck the “pseudo documentary” twaddle of United 93 or even Black Hawk Down: movies are superior to documentaries because they put us inside someone’s head. Someone’s fears. Maybe it was dumb luck that Bigelow got Jeremy Renner as her medium.

- Alfred Soto

The Hurt Locker is very fine; I think it gave me a mild PTSD case. Out June 26. Never foregrounds the politics of the war except in one line of dialogue: "If he wasn't an insurgent, he is now."

― Dr Morbius

I fucking loved this movie soooo much. It's about how fucking disconnected this is. How the war is all little fucking moments that make the whole war but are also life'n'death decisions for the soldiers themselves. It's about different types of soldiers (Guy Pearce being so careful but it doesn't mean shit cause he fucking dies anyway, about the cowboy just going for it, for the young guy who is all macho but in the end is just scared as fuck,...) I think this was an awesome movie. Just so emotional. I loved the sniper scene as well: they are just sitting there in the dry heat, flies moving across their lips, they finally share a juice and some other soldier drinks the other one. I mean, hell, it doesn't mean shit in a way, but it all DOES mean something.

― Nathalie

the "shoot the guy or not shoot the guy" stuff was so freakin' nail-biting, it's rare that suspense scenes are predicated on that particular scenario

― s1ocki

kathryn bigelow

#42

The Hurt Locker
Kathryn Bigelow
2009
United States
(383.5 points, 20 votes)

renner is fucking amazing in this movie and also insanely smashable