The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

ew hate that movie so much, ilx u still sucking, omar u still rocking

We've done the abortion politics of Knocked Up to death. Let's accept Tuomas is the Marc Loi of ILX film threads and move on.

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saying something is conservative because it lacks a certain angle ≠ saying it needs this angle to be worth watching

Haha @ everyone who saw Munich on the poll and immediately presumed no more comedies were going to rate.

this shit is going fast and furious but let me just say

• im not there is a classic, beautifully done all around, "challenging" but not in a corny way

• best in show gets less and less funny for me every time i watch it

• 40 yr old virgin is in retrospect one of my favorite apatows--the scene with romany malco and mike epps is tremendous--steve carrel, sad to say, will never make as good a movie again

• kill bill is a monster, what a stylish flick

• anchorman is will ferrels peak imo (sorry stepbros fans), the kind of movie i will make my kids rent and they wont "get" it and be all dad wtf

• knocked ups conservatism/"misogyny" is waaayyy overstated but yr crazy if you dont think a pretty decent argument can be constructed in its favor--girls hate this movie but i identified w/ it pretty hard

snorg girl still look crazy

The results should be revealed much faster.. I hate all of your opinions.

I remember laughing at Anchorman but not at anything humans were doing. Was there a subplot about intelligent animal fiefdoms I'm misremembering?

there should be a sequel to 'knocked up' where it turns out that seth rogen is tim tebow's father

Outtakes from Anchorman were funnier than the actual film.

ya i think so, also the fact that it presents a traditional two-parent family as a desirable end. goofy imo

― wall•egina (s1ocki), Monday, February 8, 2010 9:40 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah, but I can't see the alternative as a plausible ending for a big summer comedy.

Now I'm trying to picture Knockeup Up w/Rudd and Rogen swapping roles.

OK, I'll shut up about this now. Move on!

probably laughed more at anchorman more than any other film. this bit almost killed me:

Ron Burgundy: Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Champ Kind: It jumped up a notch.
Ron Burgundy: It did, didn't it?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, I stabbed a man in the heart.
Ron Burgundy: I saw that. Brick killed a guy. Did you throw a trident?
Brick Tamland: Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.
Ron Burgundy: Brick, I've been meaning to talk to you about that. You should find yourself a safehouse or a relative close by. Lay low for a while, because you're probably wanted for murder.

think the baby was pretty important to the plot of Knocked Up. It could stand to be shorter, but not that much shorter.

im not saying i agree. i just think it's easy to find something in a movie that a conservative might not disagree with and be all AHA about it like u found the da vinci code in there

Anchorman? Oh you guys...

Knocked Up is the kind of movie that's pretty trad all the way around. I don't think pointing that out is exactly A-HA.

haha, 40s in this poll straight-up morbsbait

the fight scene is so funny

my fav part is probably the burrito/bridge/dog scene

anchorman is a stone classic one of the three funniest movies made last decade endless quotable total bros movie

is there like an infuriating contrarian armond white kind of critic out there who is a feminist? or should i just do that myself.

― kicker conspiracy (b. favre ha ha) (daria-g), Thursday, February 4, 2010 10:31 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you should just do that yourself, daria!

Anyway, I wasn't saying Knocked Up is a bad movie or anything. I enjoyed many things in it, like the scenes between Paul Rudd and Leslie Mann. I was just saying is that conservativeness was probably the biggest reason I liked it less than 40YOV.

anchorman is a stone classic one of the three funniest movies made last decade endless quotable total bros movie

― Lamp, Monday, February 8, 2010 1:56 PM (17 seconds ago)

I'd expect you'd feel that way - it would be shocking if you didn't, like if "omar little" disliked The Wire

lamp otm of course

And Knocked Up was still better than Funny People.

There's a dark, malevolent presence in Steve Carrell that none of these movies are capitalizing on.

iirc Apatow was all like 'don't call it conservative, abortions are great but come on, its called knocked up, what is the film going to be if they get an abortion 10 minutes in and never speak to each other again?'

I might go find my copy of Anchorman, havent seen it in forever.

Hard to argue with. Fair enough, complain about the portrayal of women in Apatow movies, but this abortion-politics obsession in regard to a film whose whole premise rests on her keeping the baby struck me as nuts at the time and still does.

fuck any movie that doesn't have at least 1 abortion

but this abortion-politics obsession in regard to a film whose whole premise rests on her keeping the baby struck me as nuts at the time and still does.

have you considered that the whole premise of it could be objectionable?

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Comparing Oldboy to Hollywood product reveals its qualities - its narratively brave, I thought it was incredibly unsentimental (unlike our old mate Armond) and pitiless in its characterisation. The element that is most obviously attention-grabbing is the violence, the octopus, etc. This is the bit that hollywood can and does do, but Park does it better than most American directors, more stylishly, more audaciously, with far more wit. Dargis says 'so what " of this virtuosity, but it is a pleasure in itself.

It is an empty film, with nothing to say, really, but its beautiful and entertaining and frequently funny. Why should it be anything more than that? Because it won a prize at Cannes?

I preferred Sympathy for Mr Vengeance, which is more formally adventurous for its genre (many long takes and static set-ups distancing us) and more cynical without seeming quite so calculated...

― David N

omg f'in amazin. really, some of the self-mutilating violence at the end and MINI-SPOILER - that octopus-eating thing in the sushi place was just UNWATCHABLE DISGUSTING EWWWW (how was that appetizing scene _filmed_ i wanna know? hm?!), but it was just fantastic overall. has anyone seen rain looking more atmospheric than during some of those beginning scenes when he's in jail? even the calendar motif, a temporal technique that's _so_ old and overused, was somehow made to lool inventive and fresh. and am i alone in thinkin woo-jin was HOTT??

also, mark p OTM. i found the 2nd half just as strong, and the final "revelation" to be really poignant and moving, and even believabe, not something that "can't be taken seriously." but maybe 'coz im familiar w/ a culture that is all about honor and self-respect.? ..perhaps Western audiences can't digest something so self-denigrating or self-punishing, as concerns of destroying one's reputation in an individualistic society aren't as important as a collectivist Asian one.

― Vic in Alderaan

The movie starts with inexplicable duress, continues as detective story, with the two combatants circling closer and closer, and then switches suddenly into theatrical juggernaut at the final confrontation. It sounds like pretty typical tragedy to me. The film doesn't become a different one at the end; it merely ups the ante and reaches some sort of hyper-dramatic summation of the opening stages. The scene in the high-rise building (i.e. that confrontation) might be my favourite scene in movie history. It's astonishing and well beyond what anyone was expecting (perhaps this is why people rejected it? Outside the comfort zone and all that).

The 'OMG plot twist' aspect of it simply put everything into sharper context. It didn't change anything that had gone before.

― LJ

I actually really like the villain in Oldboy, in that when he turns up, he's this cheery, upscale, successful guy who also happens to be a freaking psychopath. He's like Patrick Bateman crossed with Goldfinger.

- Edward III

Old Boy

#44

Oldboy
Park Chan-wook
2003
South Korea
(378 points, 18 votes, 1 first place)

yeah that apatow response is classic dude missing the point lol

but this abortion-politics obsession in regard to a film whose whole premise rests on her keeping the baby struck me as nuts at the time and still does.

have you considered that the whole premise of it could be objectionable?

― sarahel, Monday, 8 February 2010 22:05 (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

So every movie where someone has been killed or done drugs or drove too fast or- should not be worth viewing or being made? Who the fuck cares about objectionable premises if a film is good. Hell, film buffs still go crazy about Birth Of A Nation.

gah no one has said it can't still be good. calm down. i for one love when people get killed in films.

oldboy fucking rules

LJ wants everyone to know that he likes Oldboy very much, and is actually following this poll closely, even though he is banned, and it would make him distraught to the point of inconsolable if people say mean things about it.

have you considered that the whole premise of it could be objectionable?

― sarahel, Monday, February 8, 2010 10:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

you object to the premise of someone having a one-night stand and getting pregnant?

but this abortion-politics obsession in regard to a film whose whole premise rests on her keeping the baby struck me as nuts at the time and still does.

My point wasn't that, it was that the movie never even presented abortion as an viable option. If it had had a scene where she considers it, but the it's explained why this particular woman still wants to keep the baby, that would've been fine by me.

Oldboy=good

Oldboy college student fanbase=me never wanting to see or hear or talk about Oldboy again.

Not just Knockedup, but Juno coming out sort of cements a weird new marketability of unplanned pregnancies as moviegoing fun, and if you were to look at declining poll numbers among the young for abortion rights, you might feel a little frightened. just a little. I doubt these movies are canaries for Supreme Ct. overturning Roe v. Wade, though.

lj is banned? is this because dempsey is out for the season?

Cause women have to justify themselves if they choose not to get an abortion.

"have you considered that the whole premise of it could be objectionable?"

How so? Anyway, I came across a lot of people making the argument (as Tuomas is now) that what the movie needed was a deeper engagement with the abortion debate rather than what you seem to be saying, ie it should never have been made at all. They're different arguments and I think the first one is missing the point.

I actually voted for Sympathy for Lady Vengeance which is weird in retrospect cuz I remember both the other two "Vengeance" movies much better, but my vague memories of LV gave it the nod regardless.

lj asked for self-ban because of his studies or something?

Hallway hammer scene might be the single best action sequence of the decade.

i'm not saying it should never have been made - i'm saying that those who object to its portrayal of women, and the abortion issue should have a problem with the film, itself, rather than just the way it does/doesn't portray those issues, because the film is not about that.

what's wrong with the way it portrays women?

sympathy for lady vengeance is such a shitty movie, one of the worst follow-ups either. (thirst is even worse). i liked old boy mostly but in general this dude is bogus.