The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

has anyone suggested breaking this thread up into parts? it's kinda a bitch to have to open the whole thing when you've missed 5 minutes.

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oh I probably should have thought of doing that

(i've said this before, but i think the twin towers shot in gangs of new york was better-earned than the one in munich)

This is so so challops, right?

Nothing in Gangs is earned. Stolen, if had at all.

Before Sunset nearly made my top 40, but in the end I had to leave it out. I agree with the people who said that it does a nice job of updating the youthful romanticism of Before Sunrise with a more adult perspective without totally undermining the original movie, or replacing romance with cynicism. I saw both of the movies roughly around the time they came out, so growing up 9 years between them really gives a nice perspective to both of them. I really, really liked Before Sunrise in my teens/early 20s, but I haven't rewatched it in years, maybe out for the fear that it wouldn't feel as magical anymore. But I do want to hold on to the memory of that magical feeling, even if nowadays I probably relate much more to Hawke and Delpy in Sunset than in Sunrise. The relationship between the two movies, and the characters in them, nicely sums up how I've grown up between them... I'm certainly more mature now, and obviously some of the things I thought and did when I was younger feel naive now, but I don't want to dismiss them as mere youthful foolishness, because I still remember how important things felt back then, and I can still relate to that feeling even if I wouldn't do things the same way now as I did back then.

― Tuomas, Monday, February 8, 2010 2:34 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well said. i really feel quite the same.

xp Guys guys both shots suck, okay.

bottom half of the list:

100 Morvern Callar dir: Lynne Ramsay (2002/UK/204 points/13 votes)
099 The Piano Teacher dir: Michael Haneke (2001/Austria/France/208/9)
098 Dogville dir: Lars von Trier (2003/Denmark/208.5/13)
097 Happy-Go-Lucky dir: Mike Leigh (2008/UK/210.5/11)
096 High Fidelty dir: Stephen Frears (2000/US/214/10)
095 Capturing the Friedmans dir: Andrew Jarecki (2003/US/215/13/1)
094 Napleon Dynamite dir: Jared Hess (2004/US/215.5/10)
093 Sideways dir: Alexander Payne (2004/US/215/12)
092 Tropical Malady dir: Apichatpong Weerasethakul (2004/Thailand/219/8/1)
091 Talk to Her dir: Pedro Almodóvar (2002/Spain/220/10)
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090 Together dir: Lukas Moodysson (2000/Sweden/220.5 points/9 votes/1 1st place)
089 The Lives of Others dir: Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck (2006/Germany/221/12/1)
088 Memories of Murder dir: Bong Joon-Ho (2003/South Korea/222/10)
087 Minority Report dir: Steven Speilburg (2002/US/225.5/14)
086 All the Real Girls dir: David Gordon Green (2003/US/224.5/12)
085 Almost Famous dir: Cameron Crowe (2000/US/225/11/1)
084 Finding Nemo dir: Andrew Stanton & Lee Unkirch (2003/US/226.5/13)
083 Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle dir: Danny Leiner (2004/US/231/13)
082 Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World dir: Peter Weir (2003/US/231.5/13)
081 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring dir: Peter Jackson (2001/NZ/US/236/11)
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080 The Diving Bell and the Butterfly dir: Julian Schnabel (2007/France/237 points/10 votes)
079 Team America: World Police dir: Trey Parker (2004/237.5/8)
078 28 Days Later dir: Danny Boyle (2002/UK/239/12)
077 The Squid & the Whale dir: Noah Baumbach (2005/US/242/13/1)
076 In the Loop dir: Armando Iannucci (2009/UK/246.5/13)
075 Y tu mamá también dir: Alfonso Cuarón (2001/Mexico/250.5/12)
074 In Bruges dir: Martin McDonagh (2008/UK/251/44)
073 The Triplets of Belleville dir: Sylvain Chomet (2003/France/253/10)
072 Amelie dir: Jean-Pierre Jeunet (2001/France/259.5/14)
071 25th Hour dir: Spike Lee (2002/US/261/12/1)
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070 Ratatouille dir: Brad Bird (2007/US/263 points/13 votes)
069 Far From Heaven dir: Todd Haynes (2002/US/266/13)
068 Elephant dir: Gus van Sant (2003/US/267/12/1)
067 Synecdoche, New York dir: Charlie Kaufman (2008/US/267.5/13)
066 A.I. Artificial Intelligence dir: Steven Speilberg (2001/US/274/17)
065 Kung Fu Hustle dir: Stephen Chow (2004/Hong Kong/278.5/16/1)
064 Kings and Queen dir: Arnaud Desplechin (282/France/10)
063 Wet Hot American Summer dir: David Wain (2001/US/289/15)
062 Borat dir: Larry Charles (2006/UK/US/295/16/1)
061 Audition dir: Takashi Miike (2000/Japan/296/14/1)
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060 Sexy Beast dir: Jonathan Glazer (2001/UK/298.5 points/15 votes/1 1st place vote)
059 The Host dir: Bong Joon-Ho (2006/South Korea/305/13)
058 You Can Count On Me dir: Kenneth Lonergan (2000/US/408/12)
057 Brick dir: Rian Johnson (2005/US/309.5/12/1)
056 Yi Yi: A One and a Two dir: Edward Yang (2000/Tawain/313/12)
055 Munich dir: Steven Speilberg (2005/US/319/15)
054 Miami Vice dir: Michael Mann (2006/US/338/12)
053 Before Sunset dir: Richard Linklater (2004/US/343/13)
052 Punch-Drunk Love dir: Paul Thomas Anderson (2002/US/347/13)
051 Eastern Promises dir: David Cronenberg (2007/Canada/348/16)

lamp otm

This is so so challops, right?

pretty much, but i do think it works thematically in g.o.n.y. because in that context it's really about the way the city is constantly decaying, rebuilding, renewing, crumbling, etc. it puts it in the context of new york, which i prefer to munich's strained analogy.

and i'm 5/50 in the lower half.

2/50

so if i'm reading that right, it looks like so far kung fu hustle, borat and eastern promises are tied for most ballot appearances at 16.

I'm 13/50!

3/50 for me and all three were in my top 10.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/imnotthere.jpg

pretty damn good, a must-see unless you HATED Velvet Goldmine (or Dylan); like that, its ambition exceeds his grasp, and hooray. Cate and the young kid are most mesmerizing. Billy the Kid (Gere) and Heath-Charlotte plot least rewarding. Looks, sounds great -- see it on the biggest screen possible (assuming that's even an option in yr town).

Malkmus sings for Blanchett!

― Dr Morbius

i liked this as much as i expected to, which was a lot. i didn't like it more than i expected to, which is mildly disappointing. but only mildly. (and i actually liked the richard gere sequence fine; the heath ledger segments were the ones i thought droned on a bit, finely decorated tho they were.) i can't really imagine the effect on dylan novices (much less dylan-haters, but i guess they're not going to see it anyway).

looked great, all of it. sounded great too of course.

― tipsy mothra

Y'know I didn't want to overpraise this movie just because so many boneheaded people find it incredibly demanding (and it's just not that demanding unless your only yardstick is "Air Bud", I mean people who can handle "Last Year At Marienbad" are not going to break a sweat here) . . . but I do need to say in this movie's defense that, even though it's a mess, it stays with you for a long time afterwards. I felt it really lingered in the mind; it's not *just* bricolage, there's a real emotional impact that it transmits, and Blanchett's performance is the reason.

― Drew Daniel

I don't really know much about Dylan, most of the songs in this I was hearing for the first time, but I had read the autobiography at least and it was interesting to see how things I knew about him got translated into these other characters.

This movie is amazing by the way, I loved how it deconstructs the Rock biopic, which is always about this layering of times, which is always in love with eras and costumes and a mangled nostalgia and sort of made that analogous to the Dylan who constructs the present from a past that telescopes further and further into the past, It's just obsessed with that overlap montage and flashback that makes up the crescendos of these movies and makes a whole movie that surfs along on this. It finds its own poetry of pastiche too, the Christian Bale bits aren't really funny the way they seem to be, they're stranger and reminded me a lot of Superstar. In face out of any director Haynes' remakes camp as something more personal and moving, all that jumbled gibberish that the Moore/Baez character spouts (perfect casting, so perfect) isn't really ridiculous.

Sorry, I just watched it.

― Take You Down (I know, right?)

Cate Blanchett to play Bob Dylan in an upcoming film.

#50

I'm Not There
Todd Haynes
2007
United States
(359 points, 14 votes, 1 first place)

Ahahahaha. Oh, that's rich.

Eastern Promises is the first of my top 10 to appear. My favorite movie from one of my favorite directors. Has the same kind of dream-state quality as History of Violence, but seems more fleshed out, realistic, and coherent. Viggo Mortensen gives what has to be one of the great performances of the decade.

UGH. I can't deal with this thread at work anymore. I go away for 15 minutes and there are 100+ new answers.

Serious question: any chance of a second thread? Because this one is turning into a potential browser crasher.

i watched about 1/3 of this and.. it wasn't what i expected, sort of glossy and phony, but is that the point?

I had a discussion with a friend about this movie and Velvet Goldmine. He's a big Dylan fan (I'm less familiar) and we're vice versa in terms of 70s glam rock. He found I'm Not There annoying, and I found Velvet Goldmine annoying - which made me wonder whether Haynes intended these to frustrate fans of the various musicians.

xpost meaning 'i'm not there' btw

films i voted: yi yi, miami vice

I sincerely hope EP is better than AHoV, because otherwise, it would not be very good, because AHoV isn't. Very good, I mean.

i've been trying to avoid supplying any hatorade since i didn't get around to submitting a ballot but I'm Not There is like an unfunny Rutles, ugh. still curious where this will wind up going but yeesh.

now 6/50... (i'm not there is my second top 10 pick to show)

I don't think I'm Not There was meant to be funny.

"Serious question: any chance of a second thread? Because this one is turning into a potential browser crasher."

Use bookmarks.

History of Violence >>>> Eastern Promises

no interest in Dylan / INT

UGH. I can't deal with this thread at work anymore. I go away for 15 minutes and there are 100+ new answers.

Serious question: any chance of a second thread? Because this one is turning into a potential browser crasher.

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yeah just not interested to know any more about bob dylan, ever

I watched 30-40 minutes of I'm Not There, was interrupted by a phone call, never bothered to go back to the movie.

Did you know he was a Jew?

I don't think I'm Not There was meant to be funny.

right. or, well, parts of it are funny.

it's also not exactly "about" dylan, he's just its vehicle.

i shouldn't say just its vehicle. he's a vehicle particularly well-suited to haynes' obsessions about identity and self-determination and all.

still pining for haynes to do an all-star rumination on sting's multiple identities next

I'd say not really caring about Bob Dylan is probably an impediment to enjoying it though.

the little kid at the beginning of the film.. imho didn't start it off well because it was just so phony in such a typical hollywood style

I wanted to love I'm Not There, but couldn't. It didn't have any of the beauty or drama of Velvet Goldmine imo. I'll have to watch it again. Maybe now that my expectations are lower I'll enjoy it more.

Whereas I'd say not care about Bowie might improve Velvet Goldmine.

Especially if you like seeing Jonathan Rhys-Meyer's naked.

it's also not exactly "about" dylan, he's just its vehicle.

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, February 8, 2010 11:56 AM (42 seconds ago)

Yeah - that was the same for Velvet Goldmine - and I wonder if that was part of the frustration. Like, I know very little about Dylan, so I watched it more as a formal experiment in producing identity and rock stardom, etc. With Velvet Goldmine, I was irritated by chronological inconsistencies.

I enjoyed INT much more than you guys but, yes, Cate Blanchett was the most annoying actor in it.

Heath Ledger actually impressed me most.

So we're halfway through and this is still like 65% hatorade.

charlotte gainsbourg was good i thought, but seemed like everyone else around her was so obviously acting (i didn't see much/any of the scenes with blanchett yet though)

Velvet Goldmine is such an obvious fantasy though. I can't imagine getting wound up about it.

Heath Ledger actually impressed me most.

― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 8, 2010 12:00 PM (6 seconds ago)

In the same way that I found Viggo's scene in the bathhouse impressive?

same thing with Velvet Goldmine: you have to know all the mythology to get what haynes is playing around with, and then you know enough to know what he's getting wrong, and then you have to figure out whether it's intentional or if he's just wasting your time or what... but yeah if you're not there at step one ("bob dylan is important and interesting") then probably it's not your movie.