The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

miami vice is p enjoyable but i like(d) collateral better it felt more focused and memorable

for me collateral plot was more predictable. vice played far more with expectations.

I'll watch Grizzly Man, too, if you guys can vouch that it's better than Miami Vice.

It's better than Miami Vice.

collateral is dece and i wish the ruff had been in MV somehow. it's just not quite there.

Grizzly Man is amazing

grizzly man is super amazing

i wish the ruff had been in MV somehow

this is why Zodiac is so good!

wondering now if 'grizzly man' will even make the list

― do you want to be happier? (whatever), Monday, February 8, 2010 10:56 AM (2 minutes ago)

I hope so: it is one of my three favorite comedies of the decade - the other two being Some Kind of Monster and American Psycho

xpost. "I loved that Hawke's character was a posturing, pretentious dick in Sunrise, mostly because it felt incredibly real to me, and he is exactly the sort of dude who would try to chat up some French girl on his train, with fucking Siddhartha in his backpack or etc."

It's the narcissism of small differences. When I was watching Sunrise as a student I thought I was nothing like Hawke. When I rewatched it in my 30s I thought, oh, actually I was posturing and pretentious in my own, less bearded, more English way so I gave him a lot more slack.

My wife and I still do the Werner Herzog Grizzly Man voice quite frequently.

eddie marsan is pretty dire in miami vice, ruff could have taken his place

someone made this point on the miami vice thread, but the cold open in the theatrical version is the coolest thing ever.

eddie marsan is pretty dire in miami vice

nah wrong.

i liked all the british people in miami vice.

he's great! 'it could come back on me baby!' like he's playing a Miami Vice stooge character in a Starsky and Hutch style parody remake. and it works!

xpost

Collateral was amazing; Miami Vice was a snooze.

yay, some stinkers showing up way earlier than I expected

i liked miami vice and before sunset enough that i just had to recheck my ballot to see if i voted for them (no). but i could have!

i wrote this on the movies thread about miami vice, which is still pretty much what i think (and miami vice gets close):

the perfect michael mann movie would be just boats and planes and cars and sex, with lots of urban landscapes and synth-rock and no talking at all.

the cold open in the theatrical version is the coolest thing

i bought the dir-cut first time out, recently got the theatrical dvd just because.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/punchdrunk.jpg

adam sandler's character in the movie lives on MY STREET on MY BLOCK (he says his addy to the phone sex op)

― chaki

i think the movie captured a feeling of craziness - sandler being struck with a barrage of insanity and bullshit. can someone remind me what set off his 'episode' in the restaurant bathroom??'

biggest part i've seen mary-lynn rajskub in so far... i hope she continues to act more!

― ron

I loved this movie so much. It's hella simple, sweet, the music, in it's gratingness, does very well to sorta put you in Barry's mind. Luis Guzman is like ALWAYS the shit in every movie he's ever in, too, even when he's got a really basic supporting role like in this. I think this is PTA's subtlest and easiest-on-the-mind film, I mean, it's like pretty much just a really twee lovely and just-slightly-fucked-up love story that manages to avoid a lot of love story cliches. Ah, I dunno, to each their own...

― nickalicious

I just think this is such a great movie, so beautiful and tender, and emotionally startling, and arbitrary and strange. i love so much the way it takes a romantic comedy and reduces the romcom plot elements to their most basic form, to the point of outright absurdity, and the only throughline of strength and clarity and sense in the whole film is the certainty in the end that I LOVE HER. and it revels in the arbitrariness of this, the unjustifiedness of this, the inexplicableness of this - and it resonates in me as a romantic but also as a hopeless pomo pessimist. it's the idea that a love, no matter how weird or accidental or arbitrary that (or any other love) is, can be grabbed with both hands, and you can forget the rest, and just try to feel fully that pleasure, and all colour and sound and light, its warmth hot enough to feel on your face.

― sean gramophone

Punch Drunk Love

#52

Punch-Drunk Love
Paul Thomas Anderson
2002
United States
(347 points, 13 votes)

xp ok, dire is a bit much (although the accent bothered me). just trying to find a place for ruffalo.

fuck this being ahead of miami vice.

fuck this being on the list at all tbh

the perfect michael mann movie would be just boats and planes and cars and sex, with lots of urban landscapes and synth-rock and no talking at all.

― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Monday, February 8, 2010 2:03 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

come on michael mann movies are totally about talking too! and yelling! see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vlco4yvSc

Blech.

the only disappointing thing about this poll so far was omar's decision to not use a helicopter shot of nighttime miami for the 'miami vice' blurb -- i think the screen cap he used is actually from 'austin powers' >:(

called it: how is punch drunk love better than miami vice

I much prefer this PTA movie to the other one from this decade.

sean's capsule review up there is wonderful but honestly i can barely remember PDL.

it achieves what I think Collateral was going for (in terms of theme and look) but integrates it into the story much more seamlessly, so that there's really no big philosophical speeches or anything. they're just livin it bro.

ure probably right idk i really liked collateral - felt like some of the stilted/static moments made the whole thing more charming whereas miami vice is so seamless felt unimpressive my attn drifted i think

wonderin where zodiac will place atp

i voted for all of the last four.

sign me up for "loved PDL, but need to see it again"

i liked Collateral a lot too. but I tend to not mind long-winded philosophically minded characters in movies, because hey who am i to judge.

I wish the Grizzly Man bear had eaten Ethan Hawke.

PDL was torture.

"I wish the Grizzly Man bear had eaten Ethan Hawke."

Too skinny.

i walked out of #52 for the record, one of only 2 movies I've done so.

Maybe 25-30 minutes in iirc.

yeah, we're reeling off my top ten all in a row here.

PDL is great.

I wish the Grizzly Man bear had eaten Paul Thomas Anderson before he had a chance to make any movies.

backtracking to munich for a sec, what bothered me wasn't the sex scene (tho it's dumb) so much as the action scenes. spielberg shoots and paces them exactly like really good, taut thriller episodes -- because that's how he knows to stage action scenes. they're exciting. but that excitement works against his moral ideas, because unless he intends it as a critique of thrillers themselves (which is not how i think he intends them and is certainly not how they strike me in the context of the movie), then they serve to deflect rather than magnify or examine the movie's central moral conflict. i think he filmed them like that because he doesn't know how to do it any differently, and he doesn't grasp his subject fully enough to understand how implicated he himself is in it.

PDL is just appalling

I'd still rather watch it than Magnolia again.

I thought PDL was okay when I saw it in the theater but I can't even imagine wasting a vote on it.

every single thing abt pdl is replusive 2 me

I think those taut, thriller action scenes get decidedly less taut and..er..thrillery as the movie goes on. The thrill of the beginning (and the joy at the outdoor cafe of the success) gives way to darker, less Hollywood action as the film goes on.

re-watched PDL a few weeks ago and it's stunning.

that first part was re: munich and there are some xposts to be had

Spielberg is like an earnest Tarantino in that something like Munich inevitably becomes a commentary on Movies as History (and more interesting as such) than any real life political stakes. which is why the comment in Knocked Up struck me as deceptively insightful!

xpost to tipsy re: Munich

tipsy, if you were any more otm, then the exactitude of your statement would materialize as an cloud-formed edict in the sky.

Will have to check out Miami Vice next time it's on TV, I gave up after half an hour the only time I saw it.

I saw PDL w/my brother and we got into a big argument afterwards because he thought it was super-annoying and pointless and I found it surprisingly poignant.

PDL my least favourite PTA film by a long way

tipsy, I don't think Spielberg is arguing against the cathartic appeal of vengeance, really. I think the movie may be a critique, but it's not blind to the seductiveness of what it critiques.

xpost Kev, haha