"Hipster" as pejorative.

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Who would have been an 80's hipster?

― baaderonixx, Friday, 16 March 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.random-squeegee.com/haikupics/balki.jpg

― G00blar, Friday, 16 March 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

it's all context. When you're in the suburbs or Queens you're like, "Hey, cool, a hipster!" but when you're in Brooklyn or Manhattan you're like "oh fuck, a hipster."

― dan selzer, Friday, 16 March 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

hipsters = the yuppies of the 00's

Surely those are bros, not hipsters. The yuppie of the 00's is Striped Shirt Golden Tee guy.

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

most people i know who complain about hipsters are actually complaining about people who are exactly like them moving in on their perceived territory.

― lauren, Friday, 16 March 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

The original hipsters seem quaint and naive because they were only operating on three levels of irony instead of, like, 100, run in parallel.

Also, due to the nature of contemporary media, an idea transforms from underground to institution in less than 2.3 seconds, so in order to remain cutting-edge, one has to become a douchebag fashionista.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

i just found a book by Chandler Brossard callled Who Walk in Darkness from 1952,from th flyleaf.."this is a novel about "hipsters" and their girls in ny's greenwich village.here for the first time the new generation of american bohemians are presented in fiction-what is a "hipster"?the name derives from the jazz term "hip" and denotes a person who possesses "superior awareness".the "hipster" sees through the shams of conventional attitudes and morality:he patterns his life on a code of personal freedom which has something in common with that of the French Existentialist.Becaiuse hipsters are much too smart to work,they live by their wits in a kind of underground which lies halfway between neurosis and violence,they drift from tough bars to harlem dance halls,from private dope parties to prize fights,from one love affiar to another."

― danbunny, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, THAT guy sounds like a winner.

― Laurel, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Because hipsters are much too smart to work, they live despite their wits in a media-saturated fog which lies halfway between neurosis and schizophrenia, and drift from one 'graphic design' job to the next."

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Ginsberg's "angelheaded hipsters." The attitude toward them seems ambivalent, though.

― jaymc, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

i miss the hepcats :(

http://home.macvaerk.dtu.dk/~lilbaek/images/Hanna_wave.jpg

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not quite sure how to put this, but there's some kind of a nebulous thought spinning around my head that the view of hipsters changed when the idea stopped being about rebellion (i.e. 60's and before) and started to be about jumping on any bandwagon that the media portrayed as "cool". If I can refine what I think I'm on about a bit I will elucidate later, but don't hold your breath, obv.

― peteR, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

NEVER BEEN IN A ZOOT SUIT RIOT!

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, so maybe not rebellion in that way, but anti-establishment, at least...

― peteR, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

in a small city like i reside in,th appearance of anyone in black frame glasses,band shirt and gf w bangs or funny hat is immediately filed away under "brooklyn hipster",but to me it's a good thing cuz they r th only ones who can truly appreciate my Big Eye Vietnam velvet art or Amon Duul records.Hopefully th true meaning will circle back around to Harlem music hall goers and troublemakers.

― danbunny, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I have black frame glasses and am wearing a Miles Davis shirt. Can we be friends?

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

i'm just glad that the pressure to find at least one black guy willing to join yer ska revival band is off and there are people who will now pay me money for my horrible christian folk rekkerds on ebay.

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

All I'm saying is nice panty lines.

― Laurel, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.miss604.com/blogging.jpg

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

scott that picture just made my morning

― gff, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

peteR

Do you mean the change from 'rebellion' to 'rebellious image'? The change from when people 'walked the walk' (or believed they did. or it was believable they did), to when they 'wore the clothes'? they always wore the clothes of course but, with increased media penetration, 'wearing the clothes' didn't need to stand for anything, other than itself.

Which leads us back to anti-hipsterism as basically being anti-fashion. You might be realer, you might know more, you might be the real deal, but 'that hipster guy' over there looks better, he looks more convincing

― maricopa john, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

James Baldwin had a classic rejoinder to "The White Negro" but I can't find it online anywhere.

― gff, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

It seems like the term had its initiat heyday in the 50's / early 60's, probably well exemplified by Richard Farinas, Ginsberb and such, and then somehow reappeared pejoratively in the 90's to describe Gen Y / Urban outfitters cliques. So, the question is, did the term disappear in the 70's and 80's?

― baaderonixx, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

It went underground. The 70's and 80's were when the word had *real* cred.

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

How come you understand MY BRANE better than I do? That's it, I think: a move from "genuine rebellious image" to "rebellious image laid out for you by fashion houses"; from doing-it-because-you-wanted-to to doing-it-because-you're-told-to; from bucking the trends to following them. Er, or something.

― peteR, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

xxxpost, oh dear

― peteR, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

In essence, I suppose that when cool hits the mainstream it ceases to be found cool by those who aren't particularly mainstream. Make more sense?

― peteR, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Right on!

― baaderonixx, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

In The Conquest of Cool, Tom Frank writes about a time, in the late 60s and early 70s, when the media began to co-opt notions of cool and hipsterism; whereas previously the media thought of itself as an organ of information for mainstream Americans (even in advertising, products were targeted principally at homeowners, and companies relied on science and reason to make their appeal), suddenly there was this desire to present itself as hip. And since part of what being hip meant was being anti-consumer, the advertising industry started to poke fun at itself, expose the artifice, so that eventually you have Sprite commercials that say, "Don't drink Sprite because we tell you to; be an individual."

― jaymc, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

lauren's sittin pretty on the clams, daddy-o

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Cut to Ray Winstone: "Don't look at me! I'm not going to tell you what to do!"

OTM, completely.

― peteR, Friday, 16 March 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

OMG where did that girl buy the royal blue vintage 40's dress!! (The metal side zipper is the giveaway..) I want that dress! I can never find anything 40's in that color & it's my favorite. (Not that I care for swing dancing and being retro, it's actually because they are simply styled and don't look retro..)

― daria-g, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

daria my guess is a costume designer made it!

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

i am pro-hipster kickball by the way.

http://www.rachelleb.com/images/2006_04_29/johnny_knoxville_lookalike.jpg

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

my two bosses - both in there 40's - both seem a bit confused with the tag of hipster as pejorative. They seem acutely aware of who/what is being tagged and that it's current usage is typically lobbed at goofball fashionistas with a photoblog...

both were in bands and part of "scenes" (one in Portland, the other Memphis) in the 80's-90's and they recall the term being used seldomly and usually with a vague sense of respect... like the weird dude with the pencil-thin 'stache who played fuzz bass in that one band and lived in an abandoned transmission shop and cooked his meals on a hot plate powered by a car battery.

― will, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

i think the anti-hipster thing is an age thing too. cuz a lot of the vice magazine crowd seems so young and there is the sneaking suspicion that these are the same people who were rocking those really really dirty and baggy big pants that everyone used to make fun of when they saw them on the kids and "i used to get beat up in high school for listening to amon duul, man!" and that sort of thing. which is just silly cuz gen x hepcats are just as boring and tiresome in their own way with their starsky & hutch opie taylor looking motherfucker ways and means.

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

people just need more harry gibson in their lives.

http://idata.over-blog.com/0/37/49/10/hipster/harry-the-hipster.jpg

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

pictured: Mid-noughties hipsters "playing ball"

― baaderonixx, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

i am pro-hipster kickball as well.

― gff, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

lol at "johnny_knoxville_lookalike.jpg"

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Fear of Fashion
Fear of Artifice
Fear of Youth

― maricopa john, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

the only "generation" i actually approve of is the Foghat generation. people 5 or 10 years older than me. too young to really be considered boomers. too old to be gen x. no irony. just badass. all the girls wanted hair like linda blair. all the boys wanted camaros. so, mid 70's to early 80's u.s. teendom? that's where my heart is. everyone else is so lame in comparison. including myself, so, you know, don't sue.

― scott seward, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer the Duckie generation.

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/8762/pg/one/six.jpg

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

GenDuckie, as it is commonly known.

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

This guy is straight out of Degrassi High

― baaderonixx, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/8/8668910_14195694c9.jpg?v=0

― baaderonixx, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

i watched pretty in pink again recently. duckie is fucking annoying. no wonder andi ran off with blaine.

― lauren, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

they're all fucking annoying. No anthony michael hall, no credibility.

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

loving that Kirsten Dunst-swing lapdance photo up there

― milo z, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

this guy pegs duckie correctly, i think, as kind of scary.

"Cryer exposes something rancorous within himself that frightens us innocent moviegoers. I wouldn't want to be there when Duckie finally detonates."

― kenan, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

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