Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

thx dood

"That's what happens when you read Kierkegaard. You risk losing your arm."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGdJqaa3ag

SEX IN CAGES!

http://www.movieline.com/2010/02/lost-premiere-hows-that-flash-sideways-working-out-for-our-castaways.php?page=all

Okay just watched the first couple. Awesome. Now to read the entire thread before trying to crystallise thoughts.

I had figured Locke was lying about the walkabout until I read this thread and everyone assumed he had somehow done it. The implication to me was that although others had changed (Hurley lucky etc) Locke was still that old fantasist dreamer/loser. Who couldn't even use the power in his own legs for christ's sake, absolute waster.

Of course Locke was lying about the Walkabout! It's a pride thing with him. Boone didn't know he couldn't walk.

I don't think Sayid is any more "vitally important" than Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Jin, Sun and anyone else that Jacob touched up in the last episode of S5. They've all got their parts to play, they were all on the list, it's just that Sayid was the only one whose life was in danger.

I reckon that's real Sayid there - it's possible that's exactly what the Temple Others thought was going to happen, apart from the water colour thing. Maybe it was Jacob's enemy that revived him, but it doesn't seem to be a Locke thing (mostly because Jacob's enemy is parading round as Locke/Smokey on the other side of the Island at exactly the same time.

Also lol @ Sayid being saved by the same thing that saved Ben after Sayid tried to kill him. When Richard took young Ben to the temple he warned that he'd never be the same, the same thing might be the case with Sayid. I really like the idea of Sayid and Ben somehow being THE SAME. They've been working up to a really bitter, angry face-off between those two characters for the last couple of seasons, I really hope we get to see it.

also Hurley is lucky instead of unlucky, so at least some of their lives before getting on the plane are different here.

If the alternate world island is underwater then there is nothing to transmit the numbers to that asylum dude, and no way for him to give them to Hurley. He won the lottery using just any numbers, presumably?

and i still haven't received an answer why desmond is on the plane?

Young Widmore would have been on the Island when the bomb blew/it sunk/whatever. So Desmond's life would have turned out completely differently - no Penny for one thing, and he'd never have ended up on the Island. He and Jack didn't recognise one another from the stadium either - not immediately in the way they did in the Hatch in S2. Don't think we'll find out what happened to Widmore etc until alternate timeline Faraday turns up, as he surely will do?

Flashsideways timeline: Sun & Jin are not married. Sun is called Ms. Paik, not Mrs. Kwon, by the customs officer at LAX. Neither Jin or Sun are wearing wedding rings.

This makes me think that in the alternate timeline the events where Jacob went round touching them up didn't actually happen. I'm wondering whether alternate Locke ever fell out of a building or something else happened altogether. Also where are Locke's knives? It's possible they all lost something on the plane?

Also, really hoping for an episode where Sawyer actually does con Hurley out of several million dollars.

As far as well-drawn characters go - Ben > Desmond > Hurley > Sawyer > Locke > Sayid > Jack > Kate > Jin >>>>>> Sun.

It really annoyed me that Sun just left her baby behind and doesn't appear to care.

If you put Jin forward a few notches a Ben back a few, that is basically my ranking of favorite characters on the show, too.

I loved how Sayid broke open the toilet door on the plane, he's a badass in any reality. I've been wondering whether Richard not being in 'chains' any more means he's no longer immortal now Jacob is dead but I doubt that's what flocke meant.

and i still haven't received an answer why desmond is on the plane?

imo he's time-travelling.

Also, really hoping for an episode where Sawyer actually does con Hurley out of several million dollars.

hahaha yes.

Don't think we'll find out what happened to Widmore etc until alternate timeline Faraday turns up, as he surely will do?

I hope alt timeline Faraday exists! But if the island did blow up, I'm assuming he was never born - Eloise was pregnant with him in 1977, wasn't she?

And it's possible that Penny exists off-island, and that she did meet Desmond eventually, but without Charles Widmore around, Des probably never went on his boat race, and so never met Jack at the stadium, and that's also prob why he was on the plane.

they made des's appearance deliberately eerie. i can't remember the mechanics of hamster time-travel, but that basically.

Desmond's on the plane because he just won a third boat race and is flying home to his beautiful wife, imo

they made des's appearance deliberately eerie. i can't remember the mechanics of hamster time-travel, but that basically.

Yeah, I didn't twig until now that Desmond just vanished from the plane, Jack got back from saving Charlie or whatever and asked Rose what happened to him and she didn't seem to know.

Nah you're right that they deliberately made his appearance seem weird but i think the explanation was prob more mundane - he didn't disappear, he just went back to his original seat. he did say he switched seats because the guy next to him was snoring or something like that. they even showed the sunken island bit right after he appeared, just to drive the point home that this was a different timeline altogether.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kxcoheDVev1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

loooool

huh so are we to expect that each of the people on the ankh list are going to do something specific and course changing that will explain why they were on the list in the first place? because we've seen a lot of lists over the course of lost, which generally didn't amount to much other than "the others are very sinister and want all of your babies."

last episode is Jack back in the barracks looking through Ben's personal library and finding a leatherbound edition of The Big Book Of Lost Lists

is the ankh list going to be the same list as the list in the first series somehow? seems pretty lost thing to happen.

Weird that Asian Pirate Dude didn't seem to know who any of them were. Maybe he's been working completely independently of Ben Linus all this time. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't ever let Ben inside the temple, since his healing at least.

that would be hard to explain to ben, given that he's not supposed to know about how the temple healed him.

i can't remember the mechanics of hamster time-travel

this always bugged me:

hamster sits in the maze
hamster does not know how to run maze
hamster is zapped by daniels machine
hamster's consciousness travels to future when hamster has been taught how to run maze
hamster successfully runs maze
hamster's brain explodes

when is the hamster taught to run the maze?

the others are probably the most inconsistent thing about the show
i know they moved into new otherton after they killed all the dharma guys
but my brain just can't fathom how the same group of people that enjoy muffins + book club at juliet's house also live in this wacko temple throwing ash everywhere to hold back the ancient egyptian death god

Maybe because the Temple Others never lived in the barracks in the first place? These guys look like they'd been there a lot longer than the people who were brought over on the sub to sort out security and medicine and fertility shit. Maybe several hundred years longer.

expect this lil dude to be making a few cameos

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6869/itisamystery.png

how did the flight attendant end up at the temple, though??

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6869/itisamystery.png

She and a couple of the kids were taken by the Others IIRC?

She is in cahoots!

If island is underwater as a result of events in 1977, Sawyer is the only one Jacob could have visited with.

Elaborate?

In the SSN 5 finale, Sawyer's Jacob visit was the only one that happened prior to 1977. So if (big if, I know) Jacob died on the Island in 1977, then the other visits didn't happen--or happened at different times.

Ah, right. We still don't know exactly when the island sank in the flash-sideways timeline; if the island went down in '77, when the bomb went off, or if the bomb started a chain of events that later on sank the island. (I'm also a bit confused as to how a hydrogen bomb detonation would cause an island to sink rather than just blow chunks of it around. OTOH hey it's an island that can teleport through space-time....)

x-post I have a feeling that the Others who lived in the Dharma barracks were the more recently recruited ones--like Cindy and Juliet--and those at the Temple had been around a lot longer. The nu-Others were sent to the Temple in SSN 3 so that's why we see Cindy there now. Not sure if Ben was the leader of the Temple Others too. Richard probably floats between groups. He wasn't around the Barracks during the cage-sex era.

Jacob specifically told Hurley to get on the plane, so I'm sure he thought through the ramifications.

just remembered that it's been three years since the Oceanic 6 left on the chopper and everyone else went time-travelling, so who knows what the Others (alpert people/barracks people/temple people) have been up to in the meantime?

but my brain just can't fathom how the same group of people that enjoy muffins + book club at juliet's house also live in this wacko temple throwing ash everywhere to hold back the ancient egyptian death god

but they *are* the same people. these were the same guys who dressed like hippies while terrorising airplane crash victims, and speak latin, and had some weird new-agey funeral ritual. also throwing ash around to ward off the smokemonster just seems like the DIY equivalent to turning on a smokey-repelling security fence imo.

I really get the feeling that Ben's takeover of the group was what led to all the modernization/adoption of suburban lifestyles and so on, and it's mostly his weird obsession with the pregnancy thing that led to a lot of it. Few of them really seemed to care, and the New Age/hippie stuff seemed more like their default mode.

Also lol @ Sayid being saved by the same thing that saved Ben after Sayid tried to kill him.

Thanks Keyes! That is what I meant- Sawyer's parents died around 73-75 iirc, he made a comment to jack about how he couldve gone back or whatever.

I still think plane ride is flash forward & that jack is going to get that neck wound fighting for the others against smokey before being zapped back to 2004..

Next ep is called "What Kate Does" - a ref to "What Kate Did" in Season 2 (itself a ref to the book "What Katy did").

least appealing episode title ever tbh. i wish they would do more ft. character names in the title tho. only Kate has had this privilege iirc altho Sun and Locke have been referenced in ep titles via crappy puns.

Future episodes:

DEStiny Calls
The Times They Are A-ChanJIN
WALTabout
The CLAIREvoyant
The EKOnomist
Flashes before your MILES
The BENginning of the BENd

Here Comes the SUN

glad you guys took my bait

oh i forgot they did Hugo too (Everybody Hates Hugo)

PAOLO Can You Go?

THE MAN IN BLACK to the Future

titles to the first dozenish (i think) episodes of this season are floating around the internet. wikipedia has some. i won't list them because some are fairly suggestive, but i will say there's another sun pun involved.

reading this thread while catching up on season 4 is like ~being~ desmond

You should read the Season 4 thread!