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oh but let me guess that was just a joke/"ironic" etc

Douchebags like Stone/Parker (ie libertarians) generally work under the MO that if they occasionally make fun of/criticize the GOP, they can spend the rest of the time harping on liberal stereotypes, engaging in soft racism, etc.. They can then claim they're "taking on both sides, maaaaaan," when, in reality, they're whoring for right-wing causes as much as anyone.

^^^so very OTM

beyond being libertarians, i think stone/parker have a real horror of being in any way perceived as dirty hippies. it's as much a generational thing as a political one. they seem more horrified by tree huggers than torturers because they actually are more horrified by them. tree huggers are uncool via their particular prism, which is lot worse than being evil.

everything team america does is ridiculous and stupid, from beginning to end. i suppose there is also the mocking of hollywood liberals who imho mostly deserve it, that is nice if you try to save the world on your own time, while you make your money acting in stupid propaganda blockbuster films that make violence look like it's way cool

Michael Moore is known for his starring roles in Michael Bay films.

he is now!

(which is, of course, indicative of the politics of the movie - when they make fun of conservatives it's done in a funny or even openly admiring way, where the liberal punching bag is a LOL terrorist)

TAWP's greatest crime is being boring and un-funny, but it's pretty dumb to pretend that it was politically neutral.

the thing is Stone/Parker are just as guilty of engaging in self-righteous political grandstanding (albeit of the libertarian variety) as the liberals they pillory. Even when its funny - and often it is, because deflating blowhards is always funny - it smacks of blatant hypocrisy.

i.e., Michael Moore makes funny movies from a liberal POV. Stone/Parker make funny movies from a libertarian POV. The fact that the latter acts as though the former's very existence makes Michael Moore worthy of scorn speaks volumes about the depth of their political thought.

tipsy otm, which makes them (parker / stone) more annoying imo xxx-post

has anyone done any cruel parodies of Stone/Parker? seems like ripe territory

those smackers

if I could give negative points they would go to In Bruges

if you could explain that then i wouldn't have to ask why, but then that's probably why you didn't explain

― do you want to be happier? (whatever), Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:43 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because I thought it was boring and stupid

― bnw, Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:46 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

Wow it's really hard for me to see how anyone could have found it boring or stupid. I thought it was really well done and, at times, really fucking funny.

that would be hilarious shakey mo collier, u should do it x-post

x-post Also, I had absolutely no opinion of Colin Farrell before seeing this but he was really great.

shakey did you really not get the dicks and assholes joke? srsly?

first we'll need some horribly anti-semitic stereotype stand-in for Stone, and some kind of white trash class clown outfit for Parker...

x-post

shakey did you really not get the dicks and assholes joke? srsly?

I got that it was a joke - I got that its also the kind of thing Parker/Stone actually believe on some level. Silence during the Bushco era speaks volumes imho.

"shakey did you really not get the dicks and assholes joke? srsly?"

It's a joke that its pretty easy to believe that Stone/Parker take srsly, frankly.

you mean like the horribly anti-semetic cousin of kyle character, and the jimbo character maybe

xpost no i meant the actual "dicks fuck assholes" joke

btw i am in no way a stone/parker stan and i think theyve done an amazing job of mostly getting unfunnier as time has gone on, but taking their racism at face value is kind dumb imo

While South Park co-creator Matt Stone is a registered Republican,[citation needed] co-creator Trey Parker is actually a registered member of the Libertarian Party.[2] Stone sums up their views with the comment "I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals."[3]

ah wikipedia lolz

"nice if you try to save the world on your own time, while you make your money acting in stupid propaganda blockbuster films that make violence look like it's way cool"

Trying to find a way not to be rude about that statement but come the fuck on. Being in the Bourne trilogy doesn't disbar you from criticising the invasion of Iraq. And how many propaganda blockbusters is Sean Penn in?

no i meant the actual "dicks fuck assholes" joke

gimme a little credit here...

oh, come on, i'm not saying they all are. but i don't really care about sean penn or what he thinks about anything.

this thread needs a sharp slap tbh

"Stone/Parker make funny movies from a libertarian POV."

How libertarian are they? They seem pretty moralistic and concerned about social responsibility a lot of the time.

"And how many propaganda blockbusters is Sean Penn in?"

How quickly people forget TAPS.

They seem pretty moralistic and concerned about social responsibility a lot of the time.

wow dude I dunno what show you're watching

Dan I'd actually like you to talk more about this because I found 100% the opposite - the remembered pleasure of LOTR was it's "scope and wonder" absolutely - it had a map! It had long bits that were kind of boring, in which you could think about interesting things, like what sort of kings the ringwraiths had been! The movies seemed to want you to feel excited basically the whole time, which for me is a feeling that never co-exists with wonder?

― Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, February 4, 2010 5:05 PM (31 minutes ago)

Pretty much agree with this 100%.

When In Bruges came up, I thought "yeah! finally, one from my ballot," and then looked at my ballot and realized I hadn't voted for it. In retrospect I wish I'd taken more time with my ballot instead of dashing it off in the first couple of days.

http://chrysanti.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/i-am-sam_full.jpg

need another movie so we can stop talking about south park conservatives.

xpost: ok not that movie.

most of SP/TAWP politics seem to be 'wise the fuck up everybody' cynicism about 95% of political players across the spectrum. or alternatively 'the big stuff is surprisingly unimportant compared to not being a dick day-to-day'

i have no idea what people expected a kim jong il puppet to sound like in a parker/stone production. seriously.

SAVE US, OMAR

xp - I am Sam rivalled Minority Report for huge quanitities of product placement

so glad I Am Sam made it to the Top 100!

it's funny, I saw In Bruges but I can't remember anything about it. does anybody else experience this occasionally?

most of SP/TAWP politics seem to be 'wise the fuck up everybody' cynicism about 95% of political players across the spectrum.

ai amu samu

xxp I experience it frequently.

seriously sean penn strikes me as one of those liberals who has views on politics with which i mostly agree, and also treats people like shit irl. not that there aren't plenty of liberals who are super nice, but then there are those who are working for good causes and yet, treat other people working for good causes.. like shit.

sorry for going on so much abt this, but yeah my personal experience would also tell me that a very high % of political players are kind of awful, and don't get why that is a problem.

Not with In Bruges though. I remember that movie too well sadly.

xp - I am Sam seriously made me wonder whether Hollywood chose to produce films about retarted people so that they could cram in more product placement without looking pandering and gratuitous.

daria did Sean Penn karate chop you in a bar or something

"I am Sam rivalled Minority Report for huge quanitities of product placement"

Double Team has my favorite movie product placement ever.

the wrong penn died imo

Yeah - Robert Penn Warren's death was a horrible tragedy.

i was thinking
http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/penn.jpg

and William Penn - damn, he would have made Fast Times at Ridgemont High rival Citizen Kane in terms of bravura performances!