The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

they save their real bile for 'liberals'/'san francisco' = shakey mo

no wonder he hates them

lol

yeah I was gonna say...

is there a sword n sorcery fantasy film that "transcended the genre" better than LOTR?

ashes of time? (i know, doesn't really count.)

i don't mean to bash the lotr movies, i liked them pretty well. i agree with dan that they probably translated tolkien about as well as it could be done. they did a good job of really creating a sense that this was a place, the cinematic equivalent of all of tolkien's maps and detailed geography. otoh they felt sort of detached to me, i wasn't ever very engaged by the story or characters. wondering if del toro can do a little more on those counts with the hobbit (which he may be able to, partly because it's a simpler story).

I'm either voting for Team America or Lost In Translation for the "worst film of the ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s" poll.

they save their real bile for 'liberals'/'san francisco' = shakey mo

fwiw the only one I can remember on this front - and the only one I took kinda personally - was the smug episode, but that was primarily because it was just another in their string of "there is no such thing as climate change" episodes, which is one of those willfully ignorant stances that drives me insane

Recently rewatched TA:WP and liked it a whole lot more than I remember. lol @ "this is my serious face"

It would be easier to hate Parker and Stone if Family Guy didn't exist. Fight the real enemy, etc.

Parker & Stone did the short-lived That's My Bush! albeit w/ very little overt political content.

The "Prius owners smell their own farts" episode aired shortly after an uncomfortable Easter dinner with a couple who had a screaming argument in front of everyone about whether or not one of them liked the smell of his own farts, so there was a certain level of "omg they are watching my life" awe that was overshadowing the smug liberal hate emanating from that episode.

Also I didn't think that the point of that episode was "global warming doesn't exist" as much as it was "owning a Prius doesn't make you the most awesome person on the face of the Earth".

you go to some funny dinner parties Dan

they're going for a cheap laugh.

right - which is why I think that 8 years of george bush and v. few cheap laughs at his expense is pretty damning. he was the easiest target in the world and they somehow forget he existed. (after they had a cancelled show w/ him as the star...)

it was a kinda gigantic omission for what was a VERY political show in the 00s.

Found Team America's politics repellent. The spoofing of jingoism is refracted through parodies of Bruckheimer movies and generally good-natured whereas the hatred of Hollywood liberals seems visceral and wildly out of proportion. It reminded me of Al fucking Capp and his liberal-baiting bullshit from the late 60s. And the whole "jokes bruv" defence is pretty disingenuous given the context.

Also I didn't think that the point of that episode was "global warming doesn't exist"

there have been like 10 episodes where the point was this, sometimes w/ the characters explicitly saying as much

H&K the first I voted for, I think in my top 10. Perfectly paced, the best of times.

re TMB!, I thought "Laura, I'm gonna punch you in the face" was a pretty good sitcom catchphrase.

Kim Jong-Il was Cartman w/ minstrelly voice.

so at least one of the alleged "global warming doesn't exist" episodes is the one lampooning Katrina and another is the one that painted Al Gore as a fame whore, right

TMB predated 9/11, no?

right, there's also this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrance_and_Phillip:_Behind_the_Blow
where clyde says "My dad is a geologist and he says there actually isn't any concrete evidence of global warming"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/28_days_later_still15.jpg

I was sort've keen to see 28 Days because I read an article by Alex Garland where he talked abt how Romero's 'Dawn of the Dead' being an amazingly moving experience for 'boys of a certain age' - ie ME! I really like the way that both DOTD and Knightriders (Romero's other great movie) are abt ways you can build fragile, imperfect 'communities' - it's like a metaphor for ILX, or something...

― Andrew L

I watched this last night. It's not the worst film ever, but it left me pretty cold.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn

On the other hand I'm now in love with Cillian Murphy's mouth.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn

I think the story of 28 Days Later is entirely, consistantly, motivated by Jim's desire to survive The Worst Outbreak In Fucking Ever. And he tries to do it with humanity and compassion. Up until the midpoint London escape, he's fighting rawly against zombies for his life and the safety of his friends. From then until the end of the (albeit ungainly) third act the stakes are significantly upped: Jim's gotta fight against dehumanized non-zombie humans as well. Eccleston's army of combat-shocked creeps isn't unmotivated: it's another piece of the damage inflicted by the rage virus.

― remy bean

#78

28 Days Later
Danny Boyle
2002
United Kingdom
(239 points, 12 votes)

Yes, but that is one line in one episode, not 8-10 dedicated episodes

okay, I'm sorry for misleading you, they have 3 episodes where they claim global warming doesn't exist, not 8

season 10 of SP was better than either of the movies - it's gone steadily downhill since, though.

Nice! This was just outside my top 10 btw.

The overstatement matters when your argument is "They spend all this time saying global warming doesn't exist but never say anything bad about Bush," particularly when you look at the episodes in question and see pretty much equal measures of global warming denial and making fun of Bush.

trying to decide if 28 days later is really the best zombie movie of the decade. guess it's a tossup between that and shaun.

(note that when I say "pretty much", that is acknowledgment that there is more GW denial than GWB-bashing, but not nearly the discrepancy you're painting)

28 Days Later rules. I like the sequel, too.

(i suppose shaun might still place, dunno. liked both of them fine, didn't love either.)

If they can get through the 00s and find more reasons to knock climate change activists than George fucking Bush, then fuck them.

The overstatement matters when your argument is "They spend all this time saying global warming doesn't exist but never say anything bad about Bush," particularly when you look at the episodes in question and see pretty much equal measures of global warming denial and making fun of Bush.

okay, let me rephrase then: I don't want to watch a show that gives equal time to denying global warming as it does making jokes about bush. happy?

I'm still very enthusiastic about Cillian Murphy's mouth.

Parker and Stone might be libertarians, but above all else they're dogged contrarianists, for better and worse.

Parker and Stone might be libertarians, but above all else they're dogged contrarianists, for better and worse.

this is a v. good point and it leads them down very sad paths

(pretend like the 'v.' was 'very' or the 'very' was 'v.')

when they're funny i forgive their obnoxiousness, political and otherwise. when they're not funny, they're just obnoxious.

28DL was a watershed moment in the evolution of zombie cinema in that it freed zombies from their characteristic rigor mortis stumblewalk & allowed them to run at their opponents, thus making them a much more formidable (& scary!) threat.

late pass 4 me & my dinner party shtick plz

Truffaut once boiled cinema down to "beautiful things being done to beautiful women". Gilbert Adair has already pointed out the good ol' gallic sexism in that, and even the uncomfortable hint of rape in "things being done", even while he was acknowledging the elements of truth in the generalization. so then von trier is really fucking up cinema in this equation. his films seem like sadistic exercises with the payoff no more than a sick joke. still, i can't front too much on Breaking the Waves at least, b/c in general he seems like a born director, knows where to put the camera always, gets great performances, plus that film is good looking and i dunno it just puts it over the top fr me. but i don't feel like these things are enough to take his shit elsewhere.

you can't see what the top 10 ilm singles are w/out loading all their wankin' JUST FROM TODAY.

lol and i know, right? marked the end of that thread so perfectly probably several hundreds posts ago (yes, i have posted to it multiple times since)

Dawn of the Dead remake was better than 28DL

28 days later was bullshit. terry's chocolate orange infected ...with rage. also poor use of gybe, esp compared to pineapple express.

Wondered who would be more reviled than Von Trier on this thread; Parker & Stone?

No, at least P&S's trolling is still funny a lot of the time.

Dawn of the Dead remake was better than 28DL - whatever one's preferences, the 00s were a golden era for the zombie film.

when they're funny i forgive their obnoxiousness, political and otherwise. when they're not funny, they're just obnoxious.

This is pretty much OTM.

which is kind of like, I think you're funny when you're not making fun of me

Parker and Stone might be libertarians, but above all else they're dogged contrarianists, for better and worse.

yah they also seem to have a particular h8 4 ppl who are earnest and self-serious and self-important which i guess is why they have so much ire for a lot of leftists *shurg* i think theyre p stupid/funny but i mean theyre still super fucken racists

the shots of a deserted london after dude wakes up in 28 days l8r a+++++

28 days later is pretty awesome but i think it's canon status helps to overshadow 28 weeks later, which might be better in some ways (though i don't like the ending as much.) the DotD remake was pretty good but i'm not a fan of the ending in that one either, which just seems like a cheap shot. i guess i prefer my cheap endings to be hopeful rather than nihilistic.

Wondered who would be more reviled than Von Trier on this thread

Haneke.

haneke at his best > von trier at his best
haneke at his worst <<< von trier at his worst

I liked 28 Days Later okay, but 28 Weeks was horseshit.