The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

Where do their politics lie? (Trey & Matt) They seem pretty politically apathetic from their commentary.

I'm yet to fully understand quite where Trey and Matt's politics lie, even though they seemingly bash us over the head with everything they do. In the UK I think a lot of people see them as incredibly left wing/anarchist, but I think that might be because libertarianism isn't quite as ostensibly rife here as in the States.

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they're racist libertarians, its pretty blatant

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(now picturing them wandering around their mansions intoning "I SO RACIST" in Kim Jon Il-puppet voice)

"I will find you, I will catch you, and I will decimate you with a lightning bolt!"

Often I see the racist stuff as self-mocking. The "durka durka durka" stuff is obviously not to be taken seriously, as with Kim Jong Il.

It's clear where their politics lie, but they're pretty good about delivering a blow to pretty much everyone across the spectrum.

yeah this is basically just not true

they were on air for the entire bush administration and took, at most, a few token shots at it. vs. they've made about 8 different episodes w/ the moral "there's no scientific evidence for global warming!"

otm.

Find this film hilarious but repugnant.

Often I see the racist stuff as self-mocking

dude did you see last seasons' Japanese-whale-killer episode..? or any episode with the Chinese? or any other of the countless times they fall back on crude ethnic stereotypes? its ridiculous.

like, there's a pattern there, and its a pattern of pretty vicious "ORIENTALS BE WEIRD/SUBHUMAN" bullshit

there's no Token asian character y'know

How well known is Alf Garnett in the States?

I do find the episode w/ the mongolians and the wall pretty funny tbh :/

I wouldn't be particularly surprised to find out that they do that because they find their comedy Asian accent hilarious, tbh.

Fellowship at #81 really? The only LotR I voted for - voted ROTK as a representation of the entire series & perhaps others did this as well? Perhaps it would have been more logical to go with Fellowship for this? As much as I love the series, I'll be damned if I'm going to give it three spots out of 40 on my list. That's prime real estate!

wonder where baseketball is going to place

I'm sure Amos and Andy found their comedy "Negro" dialects hilarious too

anyway this is probably a discussion for a different thread

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idk i think its a pretty shallow reading to think that they actually think asians are subhuman, the more solid criticism is that they are stuck in a rut of playing the SHOCKING/CONTROVERSIAL card to shore up weaksauce scripts.

I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive

"come on now I don't think Asians are ACTUALLY subhuman, I just think they talk funny! And eat dogs! Listen, isn't this hilarious?!?" = unexamined racism still racist

voted ROTK as a representation of the entire series

ugh, as much as I loved the first two, I hated the third, felt like it was never going to fucking end

I should probably go back and watch it again but who's got the time

Stone and Parker's race-centric stuff seems to fall into one of three categories: smart and self-aware (see: Token Black), sophomoric and relatively harmless (see: amusing themselves over the fact that they were able to get away with a character saying "Shitty Wall" and "Shitty Wok" 800 times in an episode), and neanderthalic and hateful (see: the depiction of Asians in pretty much every other regard).

how about calling them disgusting savages

xxp

wonder where baseketball is going to place

90s bro :/

south park is hella racist & blatant abt h8ing azns its not social commentary or w/e they just dont give a fuq

http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/George_Bush

They didn't do a scathing indictment episode of South Park dedicated to George Bush but I can't think of a single positive reference to him on the show.

I think there is a lot of parallel between what Matt and Trey do and what Vice Magazine does, only I think it works with Matt and Trey, largely because they rarely come across to me as taking themselves particularly seriously in what they're trying to do. For all of the potshots they take at various things, they aren't doing so in some attempt to change the world or influence opinon; they're going for a cheap laugh. The breadth of their attack makes it easier for me to laugh at the shots that strike too close to home (the depiction of Chef's parents, esp. his mom, would normally be unforgivable, for example).

maybe I give them too much credit on this front, but I never took them for racists. they save their real bile for 'liberals'/'san francisco'/'college professors' etc.

I guess they're racist in that they are anti-'anti-racism'...if that makes any sense.

At any rate, I liked "Team America" but it wasn't nearly as funny as "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut"

they save their real bile for 'liberals'/'san francisco' = shakey mo

no wonder he hates them

lol

yeah I was gonna say...

is there a sword n sorcery fantasy film that "transcended the genre" better than LOTR?

ashes of time? (i know, doesn't really count.)

i don't mean to bash the lotr movies, i liked them pretty well. i agree with dan that they probably translated tolkien about as well as it could be done. they did a good job of really creating a sense that this was a place, the cinematic equivalent of all of tolkien's maps and detailed geography. otoh they felt sort of detached to me, i wasn't ever very engaged by the story or characters. wondering if del toro can do a little more on those counts with the hobbit (which he may be able to, partly because it's a simpler story).

I'm either voting for Team America or Lost In Translation for the "worst film of the ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s" poll.

they save their real bile for 'liberals'/'san francisco' = shakey mo

fwiw the only one I can remember on this front - and the only one I took kinda personally - was the smug episode, but that was primarily because it was just another in their string of "there is no such thing as climate change" episodes, which is one of those willfully ignorant stances that drives me insane

Recently rewatched TA:WP and liked it a whole lot more than I remember. lol @ "this is my serious face"

It would be easier to hate Parker and Stone if Family Guy didn't exist. Fight the real enemy, etc.

Parker & Stone did the short-lived That's My Bush! albeit w/ very little overt political content.

The "Prius owners smell their own farts" episode aired shortly after an uncomfortable Easter dinner with a couple who had a screaming argument in front of everyone about whether or not one of them liked the smell of his own farts, so there was a certain level of "omg they are watching my life" awe that was overshadowing the smug liberal hate emanating from that episode.

Also I didn't think that the point of that episode was "global warming doesn't exist" as much as it was "owning a Prius doesn't make you the most awesome person on the face of the Earth".

you go to some funny dinner parties Dan

they're going for a cheap laugh.

right - which is why I think that 8 years of george bush and v. few cheap laughs at his expense is pretty damning. he was the easiest target in the world and they somehow forget he existed. (after they had a cancelled show w/ him as the star...)

it was a kinda gigantic omission for what was a VERY political show in the 00s.

Found Team America's politics repellent. The spoofing of jingoism is refracted through parodies of Bruckheimer movies and generally good-natured whereas the hatred of Hollywood liberals seems visceral and wildly out of proportion. It reminded me of Al fucking Capp and his liberal-baiting bullshit from the late 60s. And the whole "jokes bruv" defence is pretty disingenuous given the context.

Also I didn't think that the point of that episode was "global warming doesn't exist"

there have been like 10 episodes where the point was this, sometimes w/ the characters explicitly saying as much

H&K the first I voted for, I think in my top 10. Perfectly paced, the best of times.

re TMB!, I thought "Laura, I'm gonna punch you in the face" was a pretty good sitcom catchphrase.

Kim Jong-Il was Cartman w/ minstrelly voice.

so at least one of the alleged "global warming doesn't exist" episodes is the one lampooning Katrina and another is the one that painted Al Gore as a fame whore, right

TMB predated 9/11, no?

right, there's also this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrance_and_Phillip:_Behind_the_Blow
where clyde says "My dad is a geologist and he says there actually isn't any concrete evidence of global warming"

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I was sort've keen to see 28 Days because I read an article by Alex Garland where he talked abt how Romero's 'Dawn of the Dead' being an amazingly moving experience for 'boys of a certain age' - ie ME! I really like the way that both DOTD and Knightriders (Romero's other great movie) are abt ways you can build fragile, imperfect 'communities' - it's like a metaphor for ILX, or something...

― Andrew L

I watched this last night. It's not the worst film ever, but it left me pretty cold.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn

On the other hand I'm now in love with Cillian Murphy's mouth.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn

I think the story of 28 Days Later is entirely, consistantly, motivated by Jim's desire to survive The Worst Outbreak In Fucking Ever. And he tries to do it with humanity and compassion. Up until the midpoint London escape, he's fighting rawly against zombies for his life and the safety of his friends. From then until the end of the (albeit ungainly) third act the stakes are significantly upped: Jim's gotta fight against dehumanized non-zombie humans as well. Eccleston's army of combat-shocked creeps isn't unmotivated: it's another piece of the damage inflicted by the rage virus.

― remy bean

#78

28 Days Later
Danny Boyle
2002
United Kingdom
(239 points, 12 votes)

Yes, but that is one line in one episode, not 8-10 dedicated episodes

okay, I'm sorry for misleading you, they have 3 episodes where they claim global warming doesn't exist, not 8