The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

agree with this. Velvet Goldmine didn't necessarily get it right either, but it was an astonishingly great movie

I totally agree - its not just the details that AF gets wrong, its that the whole TONE of it is wrong, all the signposts it puts up about the rock biz seem off, the underlying dramatic arc (naif falls for hooker-with-heart-of-gold) is retarded and poorly executed, etc.

VG is a masterpiece by comparison

H&K is a much more advanced look at women than that sexist High Fidelity.

almost famous is a blandly ok movie, cant really hate on it, also cant really give a fuck about it

otm, with the addendum that i liked psh in it. (don't care how "wrong" he might have gotten lester bangs, it's an entertaining performance.)

xpost:

did not vote for h&k, but it was pretty funny.

How is "The Incredibles" Randian?

society of overmen would be great at ruling the world if it wasn't for all those pesky subhumans beneath them.

I kinda hate that movie

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H&K don't have much time for women at all iirc, Morbs.

don't care how "wrong" he might have gotten lester bangs, it's an entertaining performance

Lester Bangs bits are the only good scenes in it afaic

Dan:

http://reason.com/blog/2004/11/23/ayn-rand-and-the-incredibles

(I'm sort of a skeptic, but there's a whiff there)

How is "The Incredibles" Randian?

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark]

some people are just naturally better than the crowd, and they need to be set free from society's petty concerns in order to fulfill their heroic nature.

i'm not saying i buy it but that's the argt.

xp skakey got there... and morbs

re: H & K: Didn't vote for this, but I love it and I'm glad it's here!
the sequel sucked, though

the sequel sucked, though

it was a let-down but 'sucked' is way harsh

any film that has the line "it's gonna be exactly like eurotrip only it's not going to suck" can't be all bad.

My fave touch in H&K is still Harold carrying his messenger bag in fantasy sequences.

Still, you know, "Battleshits." Lubitsch is dead.

i have a certain amount of affection for eurotrip.

Just remembered the last scene of AF. Wish-fulfilment scenario in which humbled rock star consents to interview at cub reporter's home. Tape recorder goes on. First question: "Tell me what you love best about music." Fuck that.

it's one of the most highly-regarded of the Pixar films, isn't it?

Yeah, on here, and by snooty critics like the one portrayed in the movie, Ratatouille, but in the world at large, I dunno, it seems to have been pushed aside by Nemo and Cars on the supermarket shelves. It's appreciated more by adults than by kids/families.

Lubitsch is dead.

Since 1947. You'd think you'd have moved on by now.

Still, you know, "Battleshits." Lubitsch is dead.

― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lubitsch would have had battleshits in his movies if it weren't for the hays code imo

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I enjoyed it enough that I could imagine myself actually reading those books and becoming one of those sad old fart patrick o'brian fanatics like bill buckley or lewis lapham.

― cinniblount (James Blount)

I used to be good at knots but my seamanship is lacking these days

― cinniblount (James Blount)

I thought that the Galapagos interlude was a shifting of the narrative gears, but not necessarily in a bad way. It reminded me a bit of Takeshi Kitano's "Sonatine" where the gangster shoot-em-up story suddenly gives way to a beach idyll. It had that same sort of dreamlike disjunctiveness. Also, I don't think that the emotional resonance of the Captain giving the command of the other ship to that other officer really depended on us getting to know the other officer. I think we were intended to empathize more with Capt. Aubrey's feelings in that situation - i.e., thinking back to when he received his own first commmand. At least that's how it affected me.

― o. nate (onate)

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
Peter Weir
2003
United States
(231.5 points, 13 votes)

Interesting.

Oh wait. Not at all.

Best Peter Weir film. Made my ballot.

wow, this is a surprise to me

H&K is fabulous, can we all agree on that

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have not seen this, didn't know it was worth watching!

xpost (these films are coming fast now) I prefer to ignore any Randian undercurrents in the Incredibles. From a certain angle any superhero story is Randian. The DVD extras suggest that Brad is this irascible perfectionist who for years felt like he wasn't getting his due, and I think that feeds into the movie's let-brilliance-flourish theme. Whether that makes him a big John Galt stan I don't know.

Hmm, really? I've not seen it because I loathe Russell Crowe, but it just looked really bad from clips. 13 ilxors think otherwise, I guess.

the last two are the only two i've voted for so far

Incredibles: Some people have taken the lines
"everyone's special"
"that's the same as saying no-one is"
and really ran with them.

My favourite Pixar movie, and my favourite movie of the decade btw.

Lubitsch is dead.

Since 1947. You'd think you'd have moved on by now.

just 30 short years before disco...

in re the incredibles, brad bird is kind of a libertarian, isn't he? but otoh the movie's conceit is more or less the same as "harrison bergeron," so you could as easily call bird an acolyte of vonnegut as rand.

Weir really should stay away from mytho-poetic twaddle and make homosocial action movies.

Interesting.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:48 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Oh wait. Not at all.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:48 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

coulda just said "interesting... NOT!"

incredibles is randian bs imo

argument settled

master and commander is DOPE and also gets credit for being the film that broke nabisco's brain iirc

Weir really should stay away from mytho-poetic twaddle and make homosocial action movies.

wait, which of those is master and commander? i haven't seen it, seems like it could be either.

Ha – most def the latter, tips.

M&C is the second film from my ballot to appear (#36).

coulda just said "interesting... NOT!"

I haven't quite mastered and commanded your gift for concise snark yet.

From a certain angle any superhero story is Randian.

OTMFM! The entire story is about mid-life/self-esteem crises.

Although it being a Randian parable would explain why my dad liked it so much, lol.

just 30 short years before disco...

Not sure what you're saying unless it's that it only took one generation for civilization to collapse.

master and commander is DOPE and also gets credit for being the film that broke nabisco's brain iirc

― ('_') (omar little), Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u should really have posted his essay on it

m&c was my #10, h&k my #11

master and commander was terrific btw. the sound design was so so good, seeing it in a theater with a decent sound system was a great experience.

what is H&K again

haster and kommander?

Yeah, I'll admit I'm hindered by having watched only some of it with commercial breaks, et al.

Has anyone branded Ratatouille Randian as well? Because it's still about giving free rein to undiluted genius (ie Brad Bird's) and not being snotty and cynical about said genius (ie Brad Bird's). But it doesn't have the same obviously quotable talking points as the Incredibles.

http://www.heckler-koch.de/

it would have been cool if they'd shown it with vintage commercials from the era. xxp