The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

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I mean – ick, the hair

I don't think whether Almost Famous (a fictional movie about a fictional band) got the music/history/business 'right' should affect how good (or bad) a movie it was

― iatee, Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:35 PM (9 seconds ago)

agree with this. Velvet Goldmine didn't necessarily get it right either, but it was an astonishingly great movie

"Vanilla Sky" was a dick and a half. Fuck you, Tom Cruise.

"love is a trip"

OK, come to think of it, The Incredibles' Randian crap is just as offensive as vintage Disney.

Almost Famous did plenty o' "cred flexing".

you gals not embracing pedestal-putting-on! Yer a whole different sex.

pederestal

ratatouille = rated correctly

really? I'd say, generally, it's underrated.

― DavidM, Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:36 PM (1 minute ago)

it's one of the most highly-regarded of the Pixar films, isn't it?

Elizabethtown gets points for resurrecting Tom Petty's "It'll All Work Out,"

This, but also because it portrays the south and two generations of southerners exactly the way they are. I love it because it doesn't romanticize the people, but it also doesn't portray them as a bunch of backwoods hicks for laughs. True slice of life stuff.

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i liked this movie A LOT. it's very much a new york/new jersey setpiece, and very of-its-time. also, it must be said (if you've never heard a beastie boys record or anything) that white castle is a BIG part of the cultural identity of kids growing up in NY/NJ. it's our taco bell (or maybe our sonic -- we don't have one of those yet). check out "white castle blues" by jersey band the smithereens -- they loved the place so much they wrote a whole song in its honor!

― Maneating Leopards of India (Jody Beth Rosen)

Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle
Danny Leiner
2004
United States
231 points, 13 votes

yay!!!!

I want ornaldo's hair there. I'd do it differently, but I just want the base with which to start.

God, that's way too low for that movie!

I don't disagree that the woman are presented as being 'better' than the men, but they are presented that way only as higher mythical beings, that are for pedestal-putting and nothing more.

It's been a while since I saw it, but I'm kinda "???" at this stuff. I do understand that it's a guy-centric movie, and that it's focused pretty hardcore on the viewpoint of one dude with some obvious women issues, but the movie seems to be fairly self-aware about the fact. The women always struck me as more psychologically mature than the guys. And Cusack's journey seems to be all about learning that his perspective has been kinda fucked (even if it remains kinda fucked up til the end). Yeah, I just kinda don't understand this perspective on the film at all.

really? I'd say, generally, it's underrated.

― DavidM, Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

it is a 96 on metacrtic

(btw Incredibles destroys it)

How is "The Incredibles" Randian?

Elizabethtown is always priced $3.50 at my market. I should buy it with a carton of eggs, yes?

ace screengrab

xxxxps

agree with this. Velvet Goldmine didn't necessarily get it right either, but it was an astonishingly great movie

I totally agree - its not just the details that AF gets wrong, its that the whole TONE of it is wrong, all the signposts it puts up about the rock biz seem off, the underlying dramatic arc (naif falls for hooker-with-heart-of-gold) is retarded and poorly executed, etc.

VG is a masterpiece by comparison

H&K is a much more advanced look at women than that sexist High Fidelity.

almost famous is a blandly ok movie, cant really hate on it, also cant really give a fuck about it

otm, with the addendum that i liked psh in it. (don't care how "wrong" he might have gotten lester bangs, it's an entertaining performance.)

xpost:

did not vote for h&k, but it was pretty funny.

How is "The Incredibles" Randian?

society of overmen would be great at ruling the world if it wasn't for all those pesky subhumans beneath them.

I kinda hate that movie

x-posts

H&K don't have much time for women at all iirc, Morbs.

don't care how "wrong" he might have gotten lester bangs, it's an entertaining performance

Lester Bangs bits are the only good scenes in it afaic

Dan:

http://reason.com/blog/2004/11/23/ayn-rand-and-the-incredibles

(I'm sort of a skeptic, but there's a whiff there)

How is "The Incredibles" Randian?

― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark]

some people are just naturally better than the crowd, and they need to be set free from society's petty concerns in order to fulfill their heroic nature.

i'm not saying i buy it but that's the argt.

xp skakey got there... and morbs

re: H & K: Didn't vote for this, but I love it and I'm glad it's here!
the sequel sucked, though

the sequel sucked, though

it was a let-down but 'sucked' is way harsh

any film that has the line "it's gonna be exactly like eurotrip only it's not going to suck" can't be all bad.

My fave touch in H&K is still Harold carrying his messenger bag in fantasy sequences.

Still, you know, "Battleshits." Lubitsch is dead.

i have a certain amount of affection for eurotrip.

Just remembered the last scene of AF. Wish-fulfilment scenario in which humbled rock star consents to interview at cub reporter's home. Tape recorder goes on. First question: "Tell me what you love best about music." Fuck that.

it's one of the most highly-regarded of the Pixar films, isn't it?

Yeah, on here, and by snooty critics like the one portrayed in the movie, Ratatouille, but in the world at large, I dunno, it seems to have been pushed aside by Nemo and Cars on the supermarket shelves. It's appreciated more by adults than by kids/families.

Lubitsch is dead.

Since 1947. You'd think you'd have moved on by now.

Still, you know, "Battleshits." Lubitsch is dead.

― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lubitsch would have had battleshits in his movies if it weren't for the hays code imo

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I enjoyed it enough that I could imagine myself actually reading those books and becoming one of those sad old fart patrick o'brian fanatics like bill buckley or lewis lapham.

― cinniblount (James Blount)

I used to be good at knots but my seamanship is lacking these days

― cinniblount (James Blount)

I thought that the Galapagos interlude was a shifting of the narrative gears, but not necessarily in a bad way. It reminded me a bit of Takeshi Kitano's "Sonatine" where the gangster shoot-em-up story suddenly gives way to a beach idyll. It had that same sort of dreamlike disjunctiveness. Also, I don't think that the emotional resonance of the Captain giving the command of the other ship to that other officer really depended on us getting to know the other officer. I think we were intended to empathize more with Capt. Aubrey's feelings in that situation - i.e., thinking back to when he received his own first commmand. At least that's how it affected me.

― o. nate (onate)

Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
Peter Weir
2003
United States
(231.5 points, 13 votes)

Interesting.

Oh wait. Not at all.

Best Peter Weir film. Made my ballot.

wow, this is a surprise to me

H&K is fabulous, can we all agree on that

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have not seen this, didn't know it was worth watching!

xpost (these films are coming fast now) I prefer to ignore any Randian undercurrents in the Incredibles. From a certain angle any superhero story is Randian. The DVD extras suggest that Brad is this irascible perfectionist who for years felt like he wasn't getting his due, and I think that feeds into the movie's let-brilliance-flourish theme. Whether that makes him a big John Galt stan I don't know.

Hmm, really? I've not seen it because I loathe Russell Crowe, but it just looked really bad from clips. 13 ilxors think otherwise, I guess.

the last two are the only two i've voted for so far

Incredibles: Some people have taken the lines
"everyone's special"
"that's the same as saying no-one is"
and really ran with them.

My favourite Pixar movie, and my favourite movie of the decade btw.

Lubitsch is dead.

Since 1947. You'd think you'd have moved on by now.

just 30 short years before disco...

in re the incredibles, brad bird is kind of a libertarian, isn't he? but otoh the movie's conceit is more or less the same as "harrison bergeron," so you could as easily call bird an acolyte of vonnegut as rand.

Weir really should stay away from mytho-poetic twaddle and make homosocial action movies.

Interesting.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:48 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Oh wait. Not at all.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Thursday, February 4, 2010 1:48 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

coulda just said "interesting... NOT!"

incredibles is randian bs imo