The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

Re other fish film: Shark Tale? I saw Nemo on TV, and it was... okay. Mostly 'meh, it's a kid's film'.

xpost yeah, I appreciate that, but it honestly is from a sexist male's point of view. I'd be pretty fucked off if I thought my male friends/exes saw me as hollowly as that. And, you know, not everyone is a solipsist.

Yeah, but it treats (most of) the male characters as autonomous beings, whereas the women are entirely avatars/puppets - man is subject, woman object. Just because it happens to play to the old trick of idolising those zombies it doesn't mean that it gives them any agency.

I think that's a valid point. I also think it was an intentional viewpoint decision made in order to display the mindset of Cusack's character to the viewer; like I said, most of my memory of the film can be summed up as "WAU LISA B IS PURTY" but from what I remember, didn't the spark of agency in the female characters quickly lead to them dumping him and moving as far out of his life as possible?

my pixar 00s preference: ratatouille > up > wall-e > incredibles > nemo > monsters inc >> cars

Shark Tale is the one w/Scorsese, right?

almost famous is a blandly ok movie, cant really hate on it, also cant really give a fuck about it

gonna be way too many "little cartoon shows" (resp to Letterman) in this poll.

it is a fairly autobiographical account of Crowe's experiences.

hahahaha... plz see biopic within Zelig. They all end up fantasies.

omg at shart fail

Glad to see Nemo in there. Usually underrated next to the more grown-up aspirations of Ratatouille, Wall-E and the Incredibles but stands up to repeat viewings better than any of them - more charm and better storytelling. Plus it's my daughter's favourite film.

It's pretty obvious that the joke is on HiFi's male characters, which is why it's better than the damn nove.

xpost yeah, I appreciate that, but it honestly is from a sexist male's point of view. I'd be pretty fucked off if I thought my male friends/exes saw me as hollowly as that. And, you know, not everyone is a solipsist.

huge difference between a sexist movie and a movie from the POV of a sexist

p3t3, u dope ;)

― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:17 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

AF may be cloying, but it doesnt try to flex CRED like HF does. nick hornby is such a retarded dick.

He got his life wrong.

this happens all the time with autobios

no, Mull of Kintyre is good

― iatee, Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:20 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because it doesn't have any aliens in it

― iatee, Thursday, 4 February 2010 18:21 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is precisely backwards, surely.

pixar rankings for me wall-e>ratatouille>>up>>>>nemo>monsters inc>>>>>>>cars=incredibles

I like "Finding Nemo" a lot. Probably the only Pixar movie I like more is "The Incredibles". (No I haven't seen all of them; I refuse to see any of the "Toy Story" movies and "Cars" and I haven't gotten around to most of the others.)

i think HF had some legit lols but fell down when it came to lessons abt lyfe. maybe it was misogynist, maybe it wasn't: i can hardly even remember it so kind of surprised to see it listed. it's no 'grosse point blank'.

Ratatouille >>>>> Wall-E.

It's pretty obvious that the joke is on HiFi's male characters, which is why it's better than the damn nove.

I don't disagree that the woman are presented as being 'better' than the men, but they are presented that way only as higher mythical beings, that are for pedestal-putting and nothing more.

NRQ OTM re: HF

it's no 'grosse point blank'.

^^^^^ After Say Anything the best movie in which he starred.

I refuse to see any of the "Toy Story" movies

! r u mad.

they are presented that way only as higher mythical beings, that are for pedestal-putting and nothing more.

also for making sex on iirc

I don't get why someone who refuse to see the Toy Story movies. it it a political thing?

is

nemo, monsters inc = underrated
wall-e, up = overrated
ratatouille = rated correctly

hahahaha... plz see biopic within Zelig. They all end up fantasies.

Well of course. I'm just saying that some of the things that are perceived as "wrong" possibly really did happen, whereas some of the parts that maybe ring true are fabrications. I'm sure there are parts of High Fidelity "that would never happen in a real record store" that actually did happen in a record store.

^^^^^ After Say Anything the best movie in which he starred.

its all been downhill since Better Off Dead

almost famous is a blandly ok movie, cant really hate on it, also cant really give a fuck about it

Oh, totally. I kinda don't understand the wildly varying reviews that Crowe films receive (except for Jerry McGuire, which I did think was quite good). All of the rest from this decade seem about on par to me. AF was nowhere near as good as people believed, Vanilla Sky and Elizabethtown weren't nearly as bad, all were middlin', mildly entertaining dramadies that were good for about one viewing.

THE WORST

I honestly don't understand why anyone gives a fuck about Cameron Crowe at all, script for Fast Times excepted

I don't think whether Almost Famous (a fictional movie about a fictional band) got the music/history/business 'right' should affect how good (or bad) a movie it was

Elizabethtown gets points for resurrecting Tom Petty's "It'll All Work Out," but loses those points again because ORNALDO BOOMPS' hair is pure 1993.

ratatouille = rated correctly

really? I'd say, generally, it's underrated.

ok lol so I am realizing that actually I've only seen "The Incredibles" and "Finding Nemo"

xp: emily.y, I think the point is that the exact reason why dude can't have a relationship is because he keeps putting women on pedestals. That's how it came across to me when I wasn't basking in Denise Huxtable's glory.

xp: re "Toy Story", I began actively avoiding Tom Hanks movies after "Forrest Gump". The only one I"ve seen since then in its entirety was "Castaway", which was not by choice and really only strengthened my resolve to avoid him as much as possible.

No, Vanilla Sky actually was as bad as people believed.

(Have mad love for Elizabethtown, tho)

http://stefs12.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/elizabethtown.jpg

I mean – ick, the hair

I don't think whether Almost Famous (a fictional movie about a fictional band) got the music/history/business 'right' should affect how good (or bad) a movie it was

― iatee, Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:35 PM (9 seconds ago)

agree with this. Velvet Goldmine didn't necessarily get it right either, but it was an astonishingly great movie

"Vanilla Sky" was a dick and a half. Fuck you, Tom Cruise.

"love is a trip"

OK, come to think of it, The Incredibles' Randian crap is just as offensive as vintage Disney.

Almost Famous did plenty o' "cred flexing".

you gals not embracing pedestal-putting-on! Yer a whole different sex.

pederestal

ratatouille = rated correctly

really? I'd say, generally, it's underrated.

― DavidM, Thursday, February 4, 2010 6:36 PM (1 minute ago)

it's one of the most highly-regarded of the Pixar films, isn't it?

Elizabethtown gets points for resurrecting Tom Petty's "It'll All Work Out,"

This, but also because it portrays the south and two generations of southerners exactly the way they are. I love it because it doesn't romanticize the people, but it also doesn't portray them as a bunch of backwoods hicks for laughs. True slice of life stuff.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/harold-and-kumar-go-to-white-castle.jpg

i liked this movie A LOT. it's very much a new york/new jersey setpiece, and very of-its-time. also, it must be said (if you've never heard a beastie boys record or anything) that white castle is a BIG part of the cultural identity of kids growing up in NY/NJ. it's our taco bell (or maybe our sonic -- we don't have one of those yet). check out "white castle blues" by jersey band the smithereens -- they loved the place so much they wrote a whole song in its honor!

― Maneating Leopards of India (Jody Beth Rosen)

Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle
Danny Leiner
2004
United States
231 points, 13 votes

yay!!!!

I want ornaldo's hair there. I'd do it differently, but I just want the base with which to start.

God, that's way too low for that movie!

I don't disagree that the woman are presented as being 'better' than the men, but they are presented that way only as higher mythical beings, that are for pedestal-putting and nothing more.

It's been a while since I saw it, but I'm kinda "???" at this stuff. I do understand that it's a guy-centric movie, and that it's focused pretty hardcore on the viewpoint of one dude with some obvious women issues, but the movie seems to be fairly self-aware about the fact. The women always struck me as more psychologically mature than the guys. And Cusack's journey seems to be all about learning that his perspective has been kinda fucked (even if it remains kinda fucked up til the end). Yeah, I just kinda don't understand this perspective on the film at all.

really? I'd say, generally, it's underrated.

― DavidM, Thursday, February 4, 2010 12:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

it is a 96 on metacrtic

(btw Incredibles destroys it)

How is "The Incredibles" Randian?