Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

hurley flashbacks were always pretty solid.

hey i'm watching this kimmel interview with the creator guys -- smokey and esau are not the same dude?

so i just read the synopsis of season three....was that the one with the gap in it? i think that's where i fell off. anyway, the synopsis was breathless and barely sensical, but i think if i jump in with 4 i'll be all set

id watch 3 as well, i dont hate it as much as other peeps seem to. plus introduces juliet and her story which is kind of important

so yeah basically suck it up and dig in, pal

being half in on Lost seems kind of pointless imo

Srsly, you have to watch at least the last three episodes of S3 even if you feel caught up. They're some of the best of the entire Lost run.

theres no reason to skip stuff to catch up unless you really want to wait week to week for new episodes which sucks balls

you can not miss the underwater station cuties, you just don't want to

There were so many times over the last 2 seasons that I was sure Sayid was going to be killed off, and now he appears to be integral in some way to the advancement of the show its final season. Good work, writers.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:32 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't think Sayid has ever been 'important' in the grand scheme of things but they know how popular the character is and how useful he can be in terms of having a guy like that in play and would never really take him out the action

― rhea perlman posts as "harbl" (some dude), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:37 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

he is also one of the few characters left who is not completely and utterly contemptible

enjoyed this but really have no fkn clue what's gwan on now. sort of preferred the non-island stuff because it's relatively uncomplicated. but at this point i've forgotten who all those people with richard were, when smoke-locke happened, etc. terrible, i know.

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this is otm, sometimes i feel like i missed a season somewhere

Kinda wish they'd gone all-in though, just once, and shown him really doing his original line of work, and not just being remorseful and weepy about it years later. But this is ABC and not HBO, so whatcha gonna do.

xpost re sayid

this is otm, sometimes i feel like i missed a season somewhere

― max, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:16 PM (3 minutes ago)

Comics nerds who are watching Lost may recognize this feeling from reading Grant Morrison. Ultracompression, "pay attention and connect the dots or get the fuck out"

he is also one of the few characters left who is not completely and utterly contemptible

eh he's a fucking ham too

yeah but what are hams for if not sci-fi shows

I had a conversation with a friend today where he was complaining about how everything was so slow and obviously spelled out that it was annoying. He didn't quite believe me when I tried to explain that people DO need stuff to help catch up, it's not that obvious to everyone... so I'm not too surprised a few people on this thread - even dedicated watchers - still don't totally get or remember what's going on.

id watch 3 as well, i dont hate it as much as other peeps seem to. plus introduces juliet and her story which is kind of important

Just skip the episode w/Jack and Bai Ling that explains his stupid tattoos...that one was so bad that I stopped watching the show for a long time after that.

You weren't the only one.

You know it's bad when the producers actually use that episode to pitch the network execs "see? this is what you'll get if we don't get an end date for this show! this crap!" and it works.

^ haha, I never knew!

It's actually kinda fun if you watch it knowing that.

this is otm, sometimes i feel like i missed a season somewhere

― max, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:16 PM (3 minutes ago)

Comics nerds who are watching Lost may recognize this feeling from reading Grant Morrison. Ultracompression, "pay attention and connect the dots or get the fuck out"

― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:22 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark

I really, really want this show to wrap up in hardcore Morrisonian fashion. Just go next-level bizarro meta on us here, L O S T. I'm down.

WE'RE ALL L O S T

watching season 4 and I think I'm catching up?

“God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they’re so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes.” But they don’t stop to think, “If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?”

kind of love how much the writers acknowledge that their heroes are completely dumb and selfish.

Haha me too! Especially w/respect to Kate who it seems has become more openly assholish over the past couple of seasons, they've been pretty explicit that so much of what she does is out of pure self-interest.

Scarlett O'Hara in a little gray t-shirt.

watching season 4 and I think I'm catching up?

the funny thing is that s4 takes a lot of twists and turns to basically end up at the finale of s3

srsly though dude final ep of s3 is one of the best. I wouldn't skip that one.

lol @ hurley yelling DUDE when the temple guy breaks the aunk

xp It is pretty awesome, though knowing the twist probably takes a little away from that. Probably my favorite finale, though. I think of the pregnancy stuff that popped up in S3, including Juliet's origin, might be important. And obviously the introduction of the cabin/Jacob. Just watch it, man!

srsly, must-see s3 episodes: the Desmond, Juliet, and Ben episodes + the final three eps.

does anyone else find that whenever they reload this page it takes them straight to pictures of semi naked sun?

that's because that post is the first one hidden behind the "show all messages" cut

oh okay

I was torn between laughing and crying when the music suddenly went all jaunty and we had a little zoomy underwater tour around Nu-Otherton. Out of all the stuff on Lost, that totally freaked me out.

Enjoyed:
- Fake Locke's FACE OF EVIL right after he tells Ben he wants to go home. He gets gradually more evil looking as the conversation proceeds and then there's a bonus GRRR shot at the end as well!
- Fake Locke's summary (judging??) of Locke.
- Cindy & the kids!
- Jack needing a pen on the plane
- Alterna-timeline on plane gradually getting a bit more interesting (noticed the Ms Paik thing, etc).
- I imagined the smokemonster doing a little giggle when he worked out how to get Bram out of the circle of ash. Hehe, another loophole!
- Glad Juliet's gone, although "I've something important to tell you" "..." was cringey.

Scratching my head over:
- No WAAALT and Michael on the plane?
- Does Ben really not have a clue wtf is going on, as he seems to?

I'm assuming the temple day spa was meant to be healing water and the guy cutting his hand was to test it.
Have to say I'm glad everyone on the island is back in the same time.

Yeah, gotta say... even though he's been so good every season, to the point where it's kinda taken for granted now, Terry O'Quinn is pretty awesome in these episodes, the variation between Smokey-Locke and Locke-X is great and so well-played and effective in both cases.

Lol, just reading the interview with Lindelof/Cuse linked upthread.

"When our characters posited the “What if?” scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we’re embracing those things."

Yeah. They neglected to think about quite a lot of things, or ever query anything (tbf, Mrs Hawking did tell Jack not to think about how ridiculous anything was) or ask any pertinent questions, or share valuable information throughout all 5 seasons, because THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW.

probably my favorite scene in the episode was a pretty small bit, but was so emotionally jarring that it just really grabbed me, and i don't think i've ever seen anything exactly like it before: after sawyer finishes burying juliet and badgers miles to tell her what her last thoughts were, and miles is evasive, sawyer's dropping miles into the fresh dirt and rubbing his face in the grave was very startling to me. a real emotionally "wow" moment. iirc.

If you read interviews with "darlton" they're constantly on about it being a "character driven" show and it's "all about the characters". But this is bollocks, it's the least character driven of any serial tv show in this era.

Do any of you even care about the characters? Sure we have our favourites but they're mostly just impulsive idiots running around wildly.

The plot rules all with lost, agree with people saying it feels like we've missed a season. Not cos it's confusing, more cos it's hard to care about a lot of the cast.

Eg Jin and Sun....who could possibly care?

i do. but i'm a girl who doesn't get alternate realities.

But this is bollocks, it's the least character driven of any serial tv show in this era.

seriously, as someone who sat through four seasons of Smallville and 2 1/2 seasons of Heroes, I completely disagree.

You're right that plot is far more key to LOST than character but I do think the characters are a huge part of the show's appeal. the show started out as character-study first and foremost - things like the monster and the polar bear felt tangential compared to the character backstories: why Locke was in a wheelchair, why Kate was a fugitive, why Sawyer was such a dick. we take this stuff for granted now, mainly because the plot mysteries got more interesting than the character mysteries, but they were a pretty big reason why I started watching LOST in the first place.

and i think even now the writers take pains to make sure that characters always have a good reason in doing what they do, no matter how misguided or dumb (the only time i thought this didn't work AT ALL was Juliet's about-face re: Sawyer and Kate at the end of season 5) and that well-loved characters get a proper resolution when they die.

I'd say LOST's best moments are when they manage to get the balance just right, which is why "The Constant" is everyone's favourite episode - it's a stupidly, unabashedly romantic episode that also moved the plot forwards big time.

^absolutely otm. This show's backbone has been the flashback structure, unabashedly sentimental and melodramatic. I care a hell of a lot about the characters, even Jack! The pure, unyielding, unforgiving REGRET that this show is soaked in has always been a major draw for me along with the mysteries.

yeah it's a very character-driven show, it's just successful to wildly varying degrees at how convincing it is at letting the characters drive the plot. i don't think i ever would've got sucked in w/o characters like Hurley, Ben, Sawyer, Sayid, Desmond, etc.

don't know why no Michael/Walt on the plane is any more head-scratching than no Shannon, or Desmond being there...obviously lots of things are different, and if there was any scene they'd avoid having the 17-year-old Walt actor play, it's a reenactment of the pilot w/ 12-year-old Walt.

Loved the new episodes.
Best moment, Charlie's first words on the plane: "Am I alive?..."

Fake Locke's FACE OF EVIL right after he tells Ben he wants to go home. He gets gradually more evil looking as the conversation proceeds and then there's a bonus GRRR shot at the end as well!

yah with those pointy ears he looked like THE DEVIL imo.

so rite
-c. 1600 there were these two guys, jacob and that guy from deadwood.
-then a ship landed.
-alpert was on the ship?
-cut to: the 1950s
-the US army come along. then the dharma initiative?
-ben, son of a dharma guy, meets with alpert, an immortal
-in a fit of pique he kills lots of people
-in 2004 when oceanic 815 crashes, you have ben + ex-dharma bros? and also alpert and his guys?
-and from a certain point in time mr widmore, ex-US army guy, has been trying to find/take control of the island
-ben is against this
-in 2007 that arab guy from 'three kings' lands with locke's body and... uh... this is where i really lose it.

time to hit lostpedia.

oh and

-there are also these temple guys + danny mcbride's brother from eastbound and down/farrell's ex-ci in miami vice... they for some reason took some of the 815-ers, but not the rest. they are part of team alpert?

mr widmore, ex-US army guy, has been trying to find/take control of the island

Widmore was the leader of the Others prior to Ben, not an army guy.

The Others have a habit of taking the clothes/weapons/homes/identities of the groups they've displaced - they did this for the US army in the 50s and Dharma after the 80s. I think Ben is the only Dharma guy to turn to the Others, and kills the rest of them in the Purge (late 80s in theory).

hm. i just watched a recap, and i guess it's when they bring in the *donkey wheel that can move the island* that i nod out. that and the time travel. and the whole thing of jack-kate-hurley-sayid getting zapped off the plane when everyone else on the plane lands on the island, kind of thing. bit arbitrary.

Yeah I thought Widmore was an army guy too, but according to Lostpedia he just stole the uniform.

I think there's always been a tension between character-focus and plot-focus in Lost. We were drowning in character-building for the first three seasons, and it wasn't until they introduced the flash-forwards as a device that the plot really started gaining the upper hand. Like, finally we could stop dwelling on increasingly extraneous character information like Sawyer's daughter or Jack's fucking tattoos and instead watch the characters react solely to new situations.

I think S3 jaded me to a lot of what was good about seasons 1 and 2, because after a certain point it was like "Okay, you've created your sandbox, let's start playing in it already."

it's the least character driven of any serial tv show in this era.

http://www.anderewelten.de/images/Jack%20Bauer%20II.jpg

re. characters... it as "good" characters, but everything is so fucked up you can't really call it character-driven. in alias, you had this whole complicated story going on but it was easy to watch it w.out really caring about the fibonacci code or whatever it was. also lost has about twenty impt characters at any one time so.