The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

all the real girls basically sucks but danny mcbride is in it and zooey deschanel is bonertime for reals.

only if you listen to lyrics?

Yeah. I was mostly thinking of Alex in NYC's explicit association of Steely Dan with wine bars (frequented by people wearing corduroy blazers with patches on the elbows).

haha, rabishing = ravishing. i was trying to type quickly to get us off LvT.

don't disagree with nrq re: farrell (ha!). miami vice is going to be top 10 here, i think.

fitting that the first movie in the thread from my ballot is memories of murder

Only two films from the second half of the decade so far.

I'm almost ready to call Miami Vice for #2.

wondering how many more korean films we'll get... besides oldboy and the host

xp history mayne - I graduated in 1996 - before Colin Farrell's started and Will Ferrell's roles consisted of "Construction Worker," "Roommate from Hell #1," "Man at Meeting," and "Young Man."

re LvT, I guess there's only so much faux/false I can take before it seems hateful.

Wanted to like ATRG. It's... committed. D G Green's whelming post-breakthrough stuff even had me re-evaluating George Washington.

that's all for today, see you all here tomorrow......

thanks omar!

re LvT, I guess there's only so much faux/false I can take before it seems hateful.

Yeah, it's a fine line - I can generally appreciate Lars von Trier because there are interesting formal and structural parallels, but Todd Solondz just seems really hateful and too misanthropic/nihilistic.

see, I (generally) feel the oppoaite.

me too, like solondz, can't stand von trier

i don't like either!

solondz isn't completely terrible, lvt is. can live w.o. both.

with solondz I get a sense the director is expressing his own self-loathing in funny/painful ways, von trier is like "I'm zed, you're marsellus wallace, let's do this"

I don't blame omar little for only including the first three paragraphs of my 2004 post on All the Real Girls, but here's the rest:

So I can champion the film in a "more movies like this, please!" way. But it also emotionally devastated me, which I think has to do with the psychological complexity of the characters. You can see how genuinely Paul and Noel love each other, how well they get along -- but they are in totally different places in their lives, and they can't understand how significantly that affects their relationship. The tragedy of their story is that they are the "best boy and girl for each other" at that moment, and that they do still have feelings for each other, despite everything that happens.

Where these two levels come together is in remarkable scenes like the motel room -- from the tension-diffusing pillow fight to Noel's soul-baring story about her scar. If that's not among the most remarkable performances I've seen from an actress, I don't know what is -- in ten minutes, she goes from nervousness (about being there) to playfulness (the pillow fight) to pain (the scar story) and then joyful love (at being able to share it with Paul). She cries and laughs at the same time. She expresses volumes with just the way her mouth moves. She says lines like, "Tip doesn't even know about this" in an off-handed way, as if she just thought to bring it up.

Now, I'll admit to finding parts of the film uniquely resonant because a) their relationship bears similarities to relationships I've had, and so certain scenes were more poignant than they otherwise might be, and b) Noel is totally my kinda gal (particularly since Zooey is so beautiful), and so I felt like I loved her, too. In other words, there's surely a subjective component to my feelings about the movie. Just so you know. But I can defend it all, too."

Solondz is okay. At least his misanthropy is kinda straightforward and heartfelt, whereas von Trier seems to think there's something deeper beneath his. Also, Solondz' gender politics are less dubious.

see, I don't think Solondz is funny - it's just painful - and it's even more painful because it is trying to be funny and hide the self-loathing behind what I see as failed attempts at humor. Von Trier's sadism is more honest.

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Also, Solondz' gender politics are less dubious.

I wouldn't say that. + his politics on everything else are more risible.

But I like him too, on the whole.

if I have to spend two hours in a dark room with somebody I'm gonna pick george costanza over the BTK killer, even if the BTK killer is more honest about his sadism

I must just have a bottomless reserve of goodwill for mean directors. It's the boring ones I want to murder.

I'd rather watch a movie about the BTK killer than some annoying dude from Seinfeld.

I thought like that when I was younger, but not anymore. It's directors like von Trier who made me realize shock tactics can be way more irritating than subtle annoyingness.

take it to the fetishes thread, sarahel

lol

to recap for all of you reading this thread on your fucking telephone

86. All the Real Girls
87. Minority Report
88. Memories of Murder
89. The Lives of Others
90. Together
91. Talk to Her
92. Tropical Malady
93. Sideways
94. Napoleon Dynamite
95. Capturing the Friedmans
96. High Fidelity
97. Happy-Go-Lucky
98. Dogville
99. The Piano Teacher
100. Movern Callar

boring is awful, i hear you, i'll usually stick it out w/a boring film if it's been appreciated by others & might be worth discussing. they don't mean to be boring, do they? as for some of the mean ones.. i feel like it's a valid response to just walk out/turn the film off, in fact, it might be the best response. such as gaspar noe.

didn't know anything about All The Real Girls, but jaymc's blurb (and the fact that it showed up on this list) makes me want to check it out

just noticing how tight these are points wise. Minority Report and ATRG were on my ballot, though neither were very high up.

i think lvt is pretty uneven (dancer in the dark kind of annoyed me, except for the musical bits) and is undoubtedly full of shit in general and way too in love with his provocateur shtick. but a.) he is also kind of virtuosic, his movies are really inventive visually and technically and i think he's fun to watch on that level, and b.) dogville is just one where i think he pulled it all together, the form suits the content, the tone is right, it's all the most coherent version of his whole coldblooded-humanist thing.

dogville still the only thing on my ballot that's shown. which means the other 39 must all be still to come! (can't wait to see how high princess raccoon places.)

who knows, maybe dogville will redeem lvt for me

cache did for haneke

it will get less tight toward into the top 50. zipf's law.

all the real girls is dull as fuck and badly made.

yeah - only a 20 point difference btw 100 and 86. whats interesting is that most of the films that have placed so far seem to be the result of a bunch of ppl liking them tropical malady (one of the few films w/ a #1 vote so far) had the highest points per vote and that only averages to around a #14 ranking

so yah i think we may see a huge point difference btw the top ten or so and the rest

There's not enough in All the Real Girls and yet there are too many "meaningful" moments.

it does look rabishing though.

there were about sixty films which had a shot at entering the top 100 towards the end there, all it would have taken was a couple of high ballot placements.

I felt pretty close to what Jamyc wrote when I first saw All the Real Girls. Flawed, but full of subjective love because it really hit the right notes with me. I saw it again last year and it doesn't hold up as well. There's lots of awkwardness in his directing and there were a few too many of those 'meaningful' precious moments (that still of the bowling alley being a prime example). But it was still beautifully shot, still oddly moving at times, its heart is in the right place, and the central relationships still works really well.

I rewatched Minority Report a few months back, and it was still pretty thrilling. It looked great and it was a lot of fun. The only thing that was really wrong with the ending was the deus ex-wife, but it was one of the better thrillers I saw.

Yeah, I expect I would not love ATRG as much at 31 as I did at 24, though I will still defend aspects of it, esp. that motel-room scene.

ATRG seems like one of those movies I'd be emotionally affected by, then get angry at because of that, and so I avoid them completely.

i saw minority report in the theater when it came out, and it was a trip, colin farrell was great in it.. i have no recollection of what went on in the movie so i didn't think to vote for it. these days, i really appreciate the craft that goes into making a good thriller, but i didn't pay attention at the time & just saw it as entertaining.

i prefer to look at and listen to Tom Cruise as little as possible - this played a major role in me disliking Minority Report.

mean-spirited in what way?

it's about ugly people

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i come back from a nice middle class meal out to see this? would ND be better spirited if it were about pretty and nice people?

on second thoughts don't answer, sure your zings are ready

i found the central story of all the real girls sort of dull, iirc (it's a little hazy). but i really liked the sense of place, the town, the general feel for the lives of those characters -- also things i liked about george washington, which i think is a better movie so i voted for it instead of atrg.

i liked ALRG even moreso when i rescreened it recently. it's not something id vigorously defend cuz it does feel v. subjective and it find the cutesy/emo-ness more grating than endearing than im ok w/ that~

all the side friends are objectively great imo tho...<3 <3 <3 mcbride as bustass & tip, they make for some fantastic scenes

dang should be "if u" find

catching up on some of the earlier virulence it will be interesting to see what ppls lists are once the dust has settled....