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sorry for going back to lvt but.. i saw part of 'dancer in the dark' and thought what was going on was.. it started to make sense why people were so awful to poor bjork's character because she was just that clueless and helpless. I mean in a way where characters (esp deneuve) are TRYING to give her advice so that bad things don't happen and she just blows it off. that was my sense of the dynamic, as a viewer, this sort of rage and frustration at watching somebody who does not have to wind up in a bad situation, but wants to act like it's fate and they are helpless, except the whole way they ignored any/all possibility of acting differently! so i wonder if that happens in his other films. i don't wonder enough to be planning to watch them anytime soon though.

been meaning to watch memories of murder 4 eva - hav to do that

memories of murder is astonishing. it veers between unbearably intense drama and disturbingly dark humor--actually it doesn't really "veer between," it sort of stays in both registers at once.

this is my take on korean cinema in general, why I love it so. when it comes to emotional tones, other films seem to pluck out one-note-at-a-time solos while the koreans are blasting out diminished 7 chords.

that was my sense of the dynamic, as a viewer, this sort of rage and frustration at watching somebody who does not have to wind up in a bad situation, but wants to act like it's fate and they are helpless, except the whole way they ignored any/all possibility of acting differently! so i wonder if that happens in his other films.

It does in Zentropa (Europa) and Breaking the Waves, if I remember right.

one of my cineaste claims to fame is seeing dude's debut in a cinema the year it came out. it's a comedy about disgusting savages in the original sense of the phrase.

i'm excited to see memories of a murder soon as part of BAM's Bong Joon-Ho series. Loved the Host.

i thought the lives of others had really amazing production design. that's stuck with me.

still choice for memories of murder A++++ btw omar

btw

dudes

bong's new one, MOTHER, is sick

naked running biker in Sideways was kinda awesome, but Payne has never topped Citizen Ruth.

you know what, I liked zentropa but guy has done so much crap since then I kinda forget about it

also I <3 citizen ruth but election is one of the GOAT so

this is my take on korean cinema in general, why I love it so. when it comes to emotional tones, other films seem to pluck out one-note-at-a-time solos while the koreans are blasting out diminished 7 chords.

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:20 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

important post^^

bong's new one, MOTHER, is sick

yeah I've slept on getting that, really need to hop on it

Not so with Sideways. I mean, do you all also listen to Spyro Gyra all the time?

Close: Steely Dan.

Very true. I can't imagine any other country producing a movie like Attack the Gas Station!, which has pretty much every emotional register a movie can have all put together.

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you know what, I liked zentropa but guy has done so much crap since then I kinda forget about it

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:22 PM (1 minute ago)

i was about to make exactly this same post, except i just conveniently forget that he did it

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I don't understand the adulation for Minority Report. I liked the first half fine (save for SS's fucking horrible jokes) but this movie really couldn't have gone more downhill. Terrible, terrible "reveal" ending, and the less said about that last shot the better. (Also I don't buy that MI is in any way intriguingly "dark").

- s1ocki

Sci-fi with effects, but totally character-driven, good acting (yes even from Cruise and Ferrell), great directing, etc. etc.

- Aaron W

you gotta watch spielberg movies as, you know, movies. you will see some amazing shit in a spielberg movie. (so many great shots in Minority Report, for instance)

- ryan

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Minority Report
Steven Spielberg
2002
United States
(225.5 points, 14 votes)

you can't see what the top 10 ilm singles are w/out loading all their wankin' JUST FROM TODAY.

the only wacky Korean movie I much liked was Save the Green Planet!

xpost to sarahel re: lvt - ok i was beginning to suspect that. i know he's been accused of misogyny and... i read a lot about 'dancer in the dark' and expected to view it and just be feeling sorry for poor selma the whole time. but imho it's more interesting than that - it's like why do some people get treated badly and walked over? part of it is, sometimes, they throw their hands up and let it happen, and you start to feel like you may as well go with the crowd in treating them like a doormat because it seems that is how they prefer to live life. so i give credit for being interesting that way but it is very difficult for me to watch, there are other films i'd rather spend time on.

minority report is aight but c'mon.

probably my least favorite S.S. film of the decade 'cept for Indy IV. Still, only the last 20 mins flat-out suck.

also Farrell looked daaaaaamn fine.

yay morbs, save the green planet is fantastic!

xpost ok wait if that means you liked AI more i might have to rescind my hooray

RE: Sideways

Sadly enough, I think identified w/Giamatti's character at the time. I was a lonely shlub still processing a lot of failed relationships from my twenties and I guess I wanted to buy into the Madsen fantasy. Totally get why a lot of you hate it though. I need to re-watch this, but I'm afraid it will be an embarrassing experience.

The wallet stealing scene was pretty classic, iirc.

daria - yeah, I think lvt is just a general misanthropist - he tends to make all his protagonists suffer, whether male or female - Breaking the Waves was very difficult to watch, and I can't honestly say that I liked it. I'm not sure whether it's because I'm female, or because of societal gender inequity or conventions in depictions of women in film, but von trier's films featuring a suffering male protagonist are easier for me to watch.

part of the accusations of lvt/misogyny wrt ditd prob come from the fact that bjork spent half of the interviews about the film talking about how brutalized and beat down she was by him during the making of the movie.

but imho it's more interesting than that - it's like why do some people get treated badly and walked over? part of it is, sometimes, they throw their hands up and let it happen, and you start to feel like you may as well go with the crowd in treating them like a doormat because it seems that is how they prefer to live life.

I'm not sure if this is how von Trier intended it to be; it certainly isn't the way people I know who like the film saw it. Their reaction was "Oh, poor Selma!", and that's about it. It's even clearer in Breaking the Waves (which is quite similar to DitD) that von Trier thinks there's something noble in all this female suffering, so I don't really think his point is to dissect professional victims.

Haha, Steely Dan is more like Von Trier than Sideways is like Spyro Gyra!

the production design on both minority report and AI are rabishing. minority report platform game cgi jump sequence aside, i think they are two of the prettiest, most visually interesting recent studio films.

also Farrell looked daaaaaamn fine.

i think CF rates as my movie star of the decade: miami vice, the new world, in bruges. untouchable really.

It's even clearer in Breaking the Waves (which is quite similar to DitD) that von Trier thinks there's something noble in all this female suffering, so I don't really think his point is to dissect professional victims.

Actually, I think that is his point - I don't think he really sees nobility in anything.

only if you listen to lyrics?

xxxp

Colin Farrell? Wasn't he in that excruciatingly awful Alexander movie? Or am I confusing him with Will Farrell - or someone else - Alexander should have been a comedy.

How do you explain the ending of BtW then? It's made pretty clear that the protagonist's husband miraculously gets better because of her suffering.

lol @ rabishing

you can't see what the top 10 ilm singles are w/out loading all their wankin' JUST FROM TODAY.

the only wacky Korean movie I much liked was Save the Green Planet!

― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:29 PM (6 minutes ago)

The top 3 were Taylor Swift, Bat for Lashes, and Lady Gaga. Let's hope the film poll fares better

The guy who directed Save the Green Planet! hasn't made anything in 7 years either, what's with all this Malick Syndrome?

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On one hand, I found All the Real Girls to be somewhat uneven. The older characters -- Leland and Elvira -- seem underdeveloped, more like sketches. And though I appreciate Green's impulse toward a loose, documentary style of filmmaking, I think his films could benefit from more judicious editing. There's an early scene with Feng-Shui on Leland's shoulders as they walk silently through a field -- the cut to the scene is oddly abrupt, and the camera lingers on them for way too long. These moments add up.

On the other hand, the movie had a profound impact on me, like almost nothing else I've seen. I dwelled on it all last week, writing about it several times in my journal, and coming to new understandings each time. And I saw it again the other day. I'm still thinking about it.

I think it affected me so strongly because it worked on two levels. As a movie fan, I absolutely love anything that's naturalistic and episodic. I smiled at scenes like the conversation between Noel and Bust-Ass about food expanding in the stomach -- it's such a goofy dialogue, but so right on with its small-talk awkwardness. And, as Green says, moments like these are nothing that a "witty screenwriter" could've come up with, or else it'd feel contrived.

― jaymc (jaymc)

ok, i saw this movie on a complete fluke occurance. i was supposed to see irreversible at the gene siskel, but it was sold out. so my friend and i walked down to the esquire and hit all the real girls. i had never heard of david gordon green but my friend said that his influences were quite impressive. after i got out, alls i could do is say wow. i didnt know what hit me and i couldnt really express it in words.

i never got another chance to see it in the theaters, but it haunted me no other movie has.

― todd swiss

#86

All the Real Girls
David Gordon Green
2003
United States
(224.5 points, 12 votes)

Colin Farrell? Wasn't he in that excruciatingly awful Alexander movie? Or am I confusing him with Will Farrell...

― sarahel, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:39 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

But, as someone who studied film academically...

― sarahel, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:14 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

no offence like, but what the fuck were they teaching you?

Not even Morb. SD's musicality dances around pop conventions just like LVT movies construct their own false fronts and faux catharses.

all the real girls basically sucks but danny mcbride is in it and zooey deschanel is bonertime for reals.

only if you listen to lyrics?

Yeah. I was mostly thinking of Alex in NYC's explicit association of Steely Dan with wine bars (frequented by people wearing corduroy blazers with patches on the elbows).

haha, rabishing = ravishing. i was trying to type quickly to get us off LvT.

don't disagree with nrq re: farrell (ha!). miami vice is going to be top 10 here, i think.

fitting that the first movie in the thread from my ballot is memories of murder

Only two films from the second half of the decade so far.

I'm almost ready to call Miami Vice for #2.

wondering how many more korean films we'll get... besides oldboy and the host

xp history mayne - I graduated in 1996 - before Colin Farrell's started and Will Ferrell's roles consisted of "Construction Worker," "Roommate from Hell #1," "Man at Meeting," and "Young Man."

re LvT, I guess there's only so much faux/false I can take before it seems hateful.

Wanted to like ATRG. It's... committed. D G Green's whelming post-breakthrough stuff even had me re-evaluating George Washington.

that's all for today, see you all here tomorrow......