The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

i guess i just find the whole "i hate this! i hate this! i hate this!" vibe a little wearying tbh

*lies down on couch with damp washcloth over eyes*

im looking forward to keepin it pos if some of the stuff i voted for arrives, but so far i either didnt like this stuff or haven't seen it, with the exception of capturing the friedmans, but idk how to verbalize why its as good as it is.

Thought this was going to be about shitting on everyone's taste my bad.

ya i guess im just tired of complaining about most of these movies

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memories of murder is astonishing. it veers between unbearably intense drama and disturbingly dark humor--actually it doesn't really "veer between," it sort of stays in both registers at once.

- Amateur(ist)

Memories of Murder (great film about South Korea's first serial killer with a v moving ending)

- xyzzzz

Just finished watching Memories of Murder. It owns my soul.

- jeffrey

#88

Memories of Murder
Bong Joon-Ho
2003
South Korea
222 points, 10 votes

discussion of pros and cons >>>>>>> ballot discussion >>>>>>> fantasy football

Not on a conscious level, no, but with some there is a sense of superiority in the relationship between audience and character/scenario. Melodrama provides opportunities for sympathy/empathy (among other things) - and one could argue that the "Oh, poor thing!" response from the viewer is in a sense condescending and comes from a superior position.

mm. this is actually the critics/theorists displaying *their* superiority to the target audience of melodramas. when they say "oh, poor thing", it's because they project themselves into the film and because they relate to it. i don't see why you'd think they imagine themselves to be superior.

it's not how i watch films anyway. what's wrong with sympathy/empathy?

(i'm aware this is linked to a marxist analysis (of sorts) but it's now just a rote and condescending routine -- no-one who thinks this is setting out to, you know, "change society", as the 70s film theorists reckoned they were.)

hey when marebito makes the top five i will write a short form essay on its merits, pinky swear

xxxpost ok hahaha that gives me some hope actually

we are keeping it pos, ie I can't believe you ppl voted for that piece of shit!

hahaha

liked Memories at the time, but now memory fails me

was memories of murder your #1 omar? it really is fantastic

alfred has a wife?

i don't see why you'd think they imagine themselves to be superior. it's not how i watch films anyway. what's wrong with sympathy/empathy?

Nothing - and I tend to project myself into films and try to relate them as well. But, as someone who studied film academically, I'm also conscious of watching a constructed product and issues of manipulation through the form.

The Lives of Others is not really very interesting to me, but I guess I can see how it ends up on a list like this. Not so with Sideways. I mean, do you all also listen to Spyro Gyra all the time?

i didnt actually vote for Mem of Murder, but it totally deserves a spot and is a pretty incredible movie throughout

not my #1 but way up there for me

The Lives of Others is not really very interesting to me, but I guess I can see how it ends up on a list like this. Not so with Sideways. I mean, do you all also listen to Spyro Gyra all the time?

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 1:14 PM (17 seconds ago)

I liked The Lives of Others because of the main character, and his existential drama (or lack thereof) - I also liked watching it and comparing it to The Conversation. Sideways, I didn't see, and had no interest in seeing - kinda like how I have no interest in listening to Phish or the Dave Matthews Band.

Alfred was quoting dere

The Lives of Others seemed roughly as dishonest about its political epoch as Mississippi Burning was about its.

sorry for going back to lvt but.. i saw part of 'dancer in the dark' and thought what was going on was.. it started to make sense why people were so awful to poor bjork's character because she was just that clueless and helpless. I mean in a way where characters (esp deneuve) are TRYING to give her advice so that bad things don't happen and she just blows it off. that was my sense of the dynamic, as a viewer, this sort of rage and frustration at watching somebody who does not have to wind up in a bad situation, but wants to act like it's fate and they are helpless, except the whole way they ignored any/all possibility of acting differently! so i wonder if that happens in his other films. i don't wonder enough to be planning to watch them anytime soon though.

been meaning to watch memories of murder 4 eva - hav to do that

memories of murder is astonishing. it veers between unbearably intense drama and disturbingly dark humor--actually it doesn't really "veer between," it sort of stays in both registers at once.

this is my take on korean cinema in general, why I love it so. when it comes to emotional tones, other films seem to pluck out one-note-at-a-time solos while the koreans are blasting out diminished 7 chords.

that was my sense of the dynamic, as a viewer, this sort of rage and frustration at watching somebody who does not have to wind up in a bad situation, but wants to act like it's fate and they are helpless, except the whole way they ignored any/all possibility of acting differently! so i wonder if that happens in his other films.

It does in Zentropa (Europa) and Breaking the Waves, if I remember right.

one of my cineaste claims to fame is seeing dude's debut in a cinema the year it came out. it's a comedy about disgusting savages in the original sense of the phrase.

i'm excited to see memories of a murder soon as part of BAM's Bong Joon-Ho series. Loved the Host.

i thought the lives of others had really amazing production design. that's stuck with me.

still choice for memories of murder A++++ btw omar

btw

dudes

bong's new one, MOTHER, is sick

naked running biker in Sideways was kinda awesome, but Payne has never topped Citizen Ruth.

you know what, I liked zentropa but guy has done so much crap since then I kinda forget about it

also I <3 citizen ruth but election is one of the GOAT so

this is my take on korean cinema in general, why I love it so. when it comes to emotional tones, other films seem to pluck out one-note-at-a-time solos while the koreans are blasting out diminished 7 chords.

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 4:20 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

important post^^

bong's new one, MOTHER, is sick

yeah I've slept on getting that, really need to hop on it

Not so with Sideways. I mean, do you all also listen to Spyro Gyra all the time?

Close: Steely Dan.

Very true. I can't imagine any other country producing a movie like Attack the Gas Station!, which has pretty much every emotional register a movie can have all put together.

(xx-post)

you know what, I liked zentropa but guy has done so much crap since then I kinda forget about it

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:22 PM (1 minute ago)

i was about to make exactly this same post, except i just conveniently forget that he did it

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I don't understand the adulation for Minority Report. I liked the first half fine (save for SS's fucking horrible jokes) but this movie really couldn't have gone more downhill. Terrible, terrible "reveal" ending, and the less said about that last shot the better. (Also I don't buy that MI is in any way intriguingly "dark").

- s1ocki

Sci-fi with effects, but totally character-driven, good acting (yes even from Cruise and Ferrell), great directing, etc. etc.

- Aaron W

you gotta watch spielberg movies as, you know, movies. you will see some amazing shit in a spielberg movie. (so many great shots in Minority Report, for instance)

- ryan

#87

Minority Report
Steven Spielberg
2002
United States
(225.5 points, 14 votes)

you can't see what the top 10 ilm singles are w/out loading all their wankin' JUST FROM TODAY.

the only wacky Korean movie I much liked was Save the Green Planet!

xpost to sarahel re: lvt - ok i was beginning to suspect that. i know he's been accused of misogyny and... i read a lot about 'dancer in the dark' and expected to view it and just be feeling sorry for poor selma the whole time. but imho it's more interesting than that - it's like why do some people get treated badly and walked over? part of it is, sometimes, they throw their hands up and let it happen, and you start to feel like you may as well go with the crowd in treating them like a doormat because it seems that is how they prefer to live life. so i give credit for being interesting that way but it is very difficult for me to watch, there are other films i'd rather spend time on.

minority report is aight but c'mon.

probably my least favorite S.S. film of the decade 'cept for Indy IV. Still, only the last 20 mins flat-out suck.

also Farrell looked daaaaaamn fine.

yay morbs, save the green planet is fantastic!

xpost ok wait if that means you liked AI more i might have to rescind my hooray

RE: Sideways

Sadly enough, I think identified w/Giamatti's character at the time. I was a lonely shlub still processing a lot of failed relationships from my twenties and I guess I wanted to buy into the Madsen fantasy. Totally get why a lot of you hate it though. I need to re-watch this, but I'm afraid it will be an embarrassing experience.

The wallet stealing scene was pretty classic, iirc.

daria - yeah, I think lvt is just a general misanthropist - he tends to make all his protagonists suffer, whether male or female - Breaking the Waves was very difficult to watch, and I can't honestly say that I liked it. I'm not sure whether it's because I'm female, or because of societal gender inequity or conventions in depictions of women in film, but von trier's films featuring a suffering male protagonist are easier for me to watch.

part of the accusations of lvt/misogyny wrt ditd prob come from the fact that bjork spent half of the interviews about the film talking about how brutalized and beat down she was by him during the making of the movie.

but imho it's more interesting than that - it's like why do some people get treated badly and walked over? part of it is, sometimes, they throw their hands up and let it happen, and you start to feel like you may as well go with the crowd in treating them like a doormat because it seems that is how they prefer to live life.

I'm not sure if this is how von Trier intended it to be; it certainly isn't the way people I know who like the film saw it. Their reaction was "Oh, poor Selma!", and that's about it. It's even clearer in Breaking the Waves (which is quite similar to DitD) that von Trier thinks there's something noble in all this female suffering, so I don't really think his point is to dissect professional victims.

Haha, Steely Dan is more like Von Trier than Sideways is like Spyro Gyra!

the production design on both minority report and AI are rabishing. minority report platform game cgi jump sequence aside, i think they are two of the prettiest, most visually interesting recent studio films.