The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

i think it's both.

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yeah, I think the communality isn't objectively judged except it's sort of good that these folks aren't bothering everybody else (kinda like the record store in High Fidelity).

don't agree w/ that

yeah Friedmans is super-compelling. im pleased by these first ten!

Plus, these folks smell.

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The bleakness of Lilya underscores why Together manages to be so warm and charming without being cutesy and manipulative. He's no naif - he has genuine affection for idealism because he knows what it's up against, and at the same time he can still take the piss very shrewdly.

I voted for this, Friedmans and Sideways so I'm happy so far.

again like rec store (sorry)

xp

I didn't even realise Together was 2000s? Guess I missed it in the noms list. Would probably have crept into my 40. I rescreened it maybe 18 months ago. Solid.

I tried watching Happy-Go-Lucky with two different friends on separate occasions. Both times we had to stop the movie after 20-30 minutes because they found the lead character so repellant. I still haven't seen the whole thing...must give it a chance

itt ppl who are dead inside

i wouldnt read happy-go-lucky as an endorsement - theres some cruelty in her naiveté - but poppy's worldview is p seductive. really liked that movie tho

also lots of shitty lame movies but nothing so far is worse than dogville - truly monstrous if u liked that movie u r a terrible person

No you are not.

why "r u" terrible person for liking Dogville, Lamp? Please answer in a complete sentence with proper English spelling and grammar for extra credit - I know you're capable of it.

the only possible reason i can think for people hating dogville so much is some kind of basic misunderstanding of the movie. (nb: i understand not liking it, but people talk about it like it's some immoral or amoral or life-hating force, which is sort of perversely rong.)

lamp otm

Dogville is hated by me not just because it is a pile of wank, but because it is a 3 hour pile of wank.

is it ok if i hate dancer in the dark?

I vowed never too see any Lars von Trier movie again after that emotional torture porn extravaganza Dancer in the Dark, but several of my friends have told me I should see Dogville. I'm still not sure though...

Lol, xpost!

It's a trap!

von trier just strikes me as one of those trolls who is clever but not very clever, more momus than cankles for instance

I can see extreme reactions to DitD and Dogville following naturally.

I'm assuming the "terrible person" line is a joke, one I'd reserve for Gaspar Noe fans.

I absolutely do not agree with the end conclusions NK's character makes in Dogville, and I think Lars Von Trier is irredeemable as a human being, but the whole thing radiates a glowing rongness I imagine some others (obviously terrible people) get from Haneke.

Also, Von Trier is usually aware of its own ridiculousness.

i was just gonna say that's how i feel abt haneke

xpost And if not, the payoff is the greatest closing credits sequence of. all. time.

o noes im a terrible person

Liked the comedy, knockout woman falling for socially impaired shlub not so much.

― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

pretty much what st peter said to me at the gates

i didn't vote so i have no right to complain but Sideways, guys?

Also, Von Trier is usually aware of its own ridiculousness.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:18 PM (43 seconds ago)

Exactly - a lot of it has to do with challenging the audience, and what the audience wants and expects from film - denying them the conventional pleasures. I actually think Von Trier is very clever, in that you can appreciate/read his films on different levels, and there are interesting formal/structural parallels with the theme and narrative - more so than Haneke, who I feel is a bit more heavy-handed.

over on the ilm tracks poll are people rolling their eyes and sighing loudly about every single entry?

Uh, yes?

ok, what were the photos behind the end-credits of Dogville? All I remember is "Young Americans."

My "anti-American" bonafides are fairly strong, but I don't need some shallow, glib Danish brat to ilm a sub-Brechtian, ugly pageant about it. (how about denying us ANY pleasures?)

I dunno, Cache didn't feel nearly as heavy-handed to me as Dogville

to film, lol

have you never read ilm before, slocki?

I absolutely do not agree with the end conclusions NK's character makes in Dogville

neither does von trier, which is where i think people get that movie backward.

pretty sure the photos were Walker Evans/Dorothea Lange WPA type photos from the Depression

i mean endless carping is wearying but i'll take the good doctor over, say, the lex any day because at least he attempts to explain what's irritated and way.

Exactly - a lot of it has to do with challenging the audience, and what the audience wants and expects from film - denying them the conventional pleasures. I actually think Von Trier is very clever, in that you can appreciate/read his films on different levels, and there are interesting formal/structural parallels with the theme and narrative - more so than Haneke, who I feel is a bit more heavy-handed.

This sounds wrong to me. I think Haneke is much more about denying the audience conventional pleasures (this is the whole point of Funny Games, isn't it?), whereas the von Trier movies I've seen are clearly more conventional and heavy-handed. DitD has all the conventional pleasures of a weepie movie, only taken to an (irritating) extreme. And I know a lot of people who like it a lot exactly because of that cathartic pleasure, even though it's built on nothing but catharsis itself. Whereas Haneke certainly avoids providing the viewer such an easy catharsis.

what's irritated and way is the new "dewey cheatham and howe"

von trier just strikes me as one of those trolls who is clever but not very clever, more momus than cankles for instance

― caek, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 3:16 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lool

Middlebrow indie has become such an easy target for so many critics - Anthony Lane and Peter Bradshaw, to name just two, love to use it as a punching bag. Most of the time I agree, but it can be done well - it's not de facto A Terrible Thing. Incredibly unfashionable to defend, obviously.

― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:19 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah but they're both feebs, and p-brads especially gets things REALLY wrong when he tries to go lowbrow. it's a punchbag for a reason tho.

'together' is moodysson's bestest film.

a lot of it has to do with challenging the audience, and what the audience wants and expects from film - denying them the conventional pleasures. I actually think Von Trier is very clever, in that you can appreciate/read his films on different levels, and there are interesting formal/structural parallels with the theme and narrative - more so than Haneke, who I feel is a bit more heavy-handed.

― sarahel, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 8:22 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

er, what? LVT viewers are not "challenged" in the least: they get exactly what they pay for, ie a woman slicing her clit or what-have-you. they don't WANT conventional pleasures, they want unconventional ones, because they are highly educated, sensitive people. haneke is more heavy-handed but they're both useless.

a lot of it has to do with challenging the audience, and what the audience wants and expects from film - denying them the conventional pleasures.

come on von trier gives his audience the greatest and most conventional pleasure of all - feeling superior

haneke has crazy skills, deployed in the service of utter obnoxiousness

<3 him btw

The model for yr well-crafted posts!

jeez, feel so conflicted when nrq is OTM.

lol

come on von trier gives his audience the greatest and most conventional pleasure of all - feeling superior

― Lamp, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:31 PM (1 minute ago)

-- Do you feel superior when you see Von Trier films? I don't. I feel like I'm implicated in them - that's part of what I meant by challenging the audience.

xp Tuomas - Dancer in the Dark is the one Von Trier film I disliked.

loved dancer in the dark, courteney cox is v cute in that

lol