Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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the democrats really do need to politicize this, no holds barred.

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Granted, the pandemic is a WORLD problem... a bit out of the league of what we're talking about here.. so sorry for the digression.

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

and is there any evidence to suggest that he is equipped to do anything? the others have long histories with such work.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

great idea, gear.. although I have a sneaky feeling democrats might have been involved in approving cuts to FEMA... which is the ONLY reason I'm guessing they have been so quiet now.

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I've seen the potential health disasters mentioned a LOT. I'm sure the CDC is freaking the fuck out right now. The potential for cholera, etc. is waaaaay high.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)


Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) issued this letter to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) today

"Next week will be the Senate’s opportunity to address this crisis, and I write to you today to ask that you permit the Senate to do just that. As you know, the current Senate agenda calls for us to consider motions to proceed to estate tax legislation and other issues when we return to session next Tuesday. Given the tragic and devastating events along the Gulf Coast, members of the Senate would have great difficulty explaining why we were debating the estate tax during our first days back when we know hundreds of thousands of families are suffering.

I urge you to take the estate tax and these other items off the table, so that Senators and the resources of the Senate can immediately be focused when where they belong when we return -- on the recovery effort. There can be no more important challenge facing our country in the days ahead than getting relief to victims of Hurricane Katrina, and the agenda of the United States Senate should reflect that priority."

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

and is there any evidence to suggest that he is equipped to do anything? the others have long histories with such work.

-- gabbneb (gabbne...), September 1st, 2005.

http://www.ob.org/

I dunno, judge for yourself. It appears to be a pretty large-scale international charity. Is the list-placement a little suspect? Maybe. But hardly something to be up in arms about from the sound of it.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

It all comes back to leadership

By Wesley Clark

...Again, just this past week, there was at least 36 hours notice that a major hurricane was going to hit the Gulf Coast, including likely a devastating blow to New Orleans, which certainly came to pass. The President continued with his regular schedule on Monday and Tuesday in California, Arizona, and Texas to hold some staged Medicare events and enjoy more vacation time, while finally returning to the White House yesterday. The joint task force including National Guard set up by the Pentagon failed to be on the scene in New Orleans in a timely manner to stop the looting and assist in the evacuation. Where is the leadership?

Then just this morning, the President claimed that no one could have anticipated the levee breaches we've seen in New Orleans after Katrina hit. That's not leadership, that's an excuse. In fact, people have predicted this kind of disaster for many years, including President Bush's own FEMA in 2001, when they ranked hurricane flood damage to New Orleans among the three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing America. Instead, funding was significantly cut back, leaving key engineering projects on hold. Instead, this Administration focused on the war in Iraq, tax cuts, and private sector economic growth without asking the American people to make needed sacrifices for the good of the country. Again I ask you, where is the leadership?...

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

I knew this would happen. This happened with the L.A. riots in 1992. A major disaster in a major U.S. city is dismissed as "a bunch of criminals/dumb people who knew what was coming to them." Thank you, Bush gov and (most of the) mass media.

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

"Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time. Reason:
The Websense category "Advocacy Groups" is filtered."

Oddly, the Red Cross and AmeriCares are NOT blocked. Judgment passed.


Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I take it back. There's nothing suspect about the placement on the list:

Donate Cash

American Red Cross
1-800-HELP NOW (435-7669) English,
1-800-257-7575 Spanish;

America’s Second Harvest
1-800-344-8070

Operation Blessing
1-800-436-6348

Donate Cash and/or Volunteer

Adventist Community Services
1-800-381-7171

B'nai B'rith International
1-888-388-4224

Catholic Charities, USA
1-800-919-9338

Christian Disaster Response
941-956-5183 or 941-551-9554

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee
1-800-848-5818

Church World Service
1-800-297-1516

Convoy of Hope
417-823-8998

Corporation for National and Community Service Disaster Relief Fund
(202) 606-6718

Feed the Children
1-800-525-7575

Lutheran Disaster Response
800-638-3522

Mennonite Disaster Service
717-859-2210

Nazarene Disaster Response
888-256-5886

Presbyterian Disaster Assistance
800-872-3283

Salvation Army
1-800-SAL-ARMY (725-2769)

Southern Baptist Convention -- Disaster Relief
1-800-462-8657, ext. 6440

United Jewish Communities
1-877-277-2477

Union for Reform Judaism

United Methodist Committee on Relief
1-800-554-8583


It just happens to be one of three charities that fall under "donate cash" only as opposed to "donate cash and/or volunteer." They are alphabetical, and it's third on the list.

Come on, bloggers!

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

from my friend blake's site, the next left:

If you had any doubts as to the evilness of Fred Phelps and his right-wing, anti-gay, anti-American "Christian" crusade, your doubts can be lifted. Here is what is posted on his site now:

THANK GOD FOR HURRICANE KATRINA!!!

THANK GOD FOR DEAD AMERICANS!

THANK GOD FOR HIS JUDGMENTS!

America worships at the fag altar and spits in God's face with every funeral they hold for these so called her soldiers. Is it any wonder that God has punished this vile nation with these losses?

It is no wonder that God has sent these great, unstoppable winds to sweep whole cities away like so much chaff. Just as it is no wonder that God sent the Muslim planes to destroy the World Trade Center, it is no wonder that the God who created the Earth and Seas (Genesis 1:9-10) could use them to destroy whole cities and unkown numbers of unrepentant sinners. Be thankful it wasn't BILLIONS, as it was in the days of Noah!

I'm not going to link to this. Fred Phelps, if you're reading: Eat a dick.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

"Muslim planes"

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

"fag altar"!!!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

i love the idea that there were billions of people on earth in noah's time.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/march99/030599c.htm

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

math is gay, you know.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Did anything come of those allegations?

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

diamond-mining operation in zaire? wtf?!?!?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

He's doing his part to help solidify the institute of marriage.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Eh, fuck playing devil's advocate:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/business.html

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

will someone please shoot Fred Phelps

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

the "people to shoot" list is getting a little crowded...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

If only there was some sort of roving group of armed people who were willing to shoot everyone...

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

there's no one I really want to see get assassinated, but that guy's got it coming in spades.

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

"If only there was some sort of roving group of armed people who were willing to shoot everyone..."

ROFFLE

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Gear's last post just made me shake my head like Scooby-Doo before I realized that he probably didn't mean to imply what I thought he did.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

How many followers does Fred Phelps have? 19? Even Falwell treats Phelps like the plague. Why are we giving him attention? (rhetorical we, here)

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Fred Phelps is a real-life strawman if there ever was one.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

one of the articles said that his church is about 40 people, mostly relations.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Bill O'Reilly coming out swinging for energy conservation, including "Gas-Free Sundays". Never thought I'd see that...

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

Well, not to put a damper on any effort to promote conservation, especially from Mr. Falafel himself, but "gas-free days" don't really have a positive effect overall -- if so, it's trivial. People use up the same amount of gas except at more crowded pumps the other "non-gas-free" days.

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh, certainly - he did suggest more fuel-efficient cars and things as well. Although he's now saying many of the people that stayed behind did so because they wanted to loot the city. Fucker.

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

oh god please let this be the republicans' waterloo, give us a silver lining.

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

this is going to be the U.S. government's waterloo, I'm afraid, gear.

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

oh god please let this be the republicans' waterloo

knowing our fate is to be with them?

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

neither here nor there, but I'm watching cnn here and you'd think old nancy grace would give fucking aruba a break for one night

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

fred phelps is definitely a strawman, and at this point so is peggy noonan -- unlike phelps, though, noonan also has access to the "wall street journal" opinion pages, and has written this bit of vileness.

key sentences here: "As for the tragic piggism that is taking place on the streets of New Orleans, it is not unbelievable but it is unforgivable, and I hope the looters are shot. "

disgusting.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

(jonah goldberg is lucianne goldberg's spawn, and a total fucking white-fat-assed-ha-ha-i'm-a-geek-who-can-quote-the-simpsons tool. think the rude pundit's proposed law can be applied to pundits as well? we'd get rid of podhoretz, and a bunch of others ...)

xpost: peggy noonan is so batshit, it makes sense that she's on the wsj's op-ed roster. they only let you in if you've passed the crazy conservative test.

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

west virginia is not a freakin' southern state!

No duh. It's almost heaven, jackasses.

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

*hugglez*

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Wow, CNN are seriously not pulling any punches. After this break, they're going to discuss the fact that the whole tragic outcome has been predicted for years, right down to the number of people who would have to/choose to stay behind rather than evacuate. I'm a little surprised to find the kind of plain speaking I associate with discussion boards being broadcast on MY TELLYVIZSHUN.

Laurel, Friday, 2 September 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

more & more conservative fuckheads are saying "shoot the looters"

re: Fox News only focusing on the looting; It's real easy to try to lessen the criticism on those who you're covering for if you continue to show the people in trouble as inhuman vandals. Why, they're animals! it's not so bad that our elected officials can't do shit to help! those people don't deserve it! we'd just be coddling them, and they'd never learn!

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

i think Anderson Cooper will go all Kurtz before Interdictor does. check out his exchange with Sen. Mary Landrieu (D. - LA)

Anderson Cooper was so great just now on CNN. He laced into Sen. Mary Landrieu saying people who have witnessed the devastation don't want to hear politicans congratulating other politicians for how they've responded.

He was yelling, basically, "Don't you get it yet?" He mentioned seeing a woman's body on the ground being eaten by rats. Landrieu told Anderson she understood what he was saying and then thanked the President again.

and the comment:

I saw him too. He was so calling bullshit on the claim that officials "were doing all they can." He was fantastic. He interrupted Sen. Landrieu right in the middle of her atta-boys to virtually tell her "excuse me but you're all so full of shit. People are dying here and you're congratulating each other!?" It was fantastic!

vid is here, but as expected the servers there are overloaded.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

"Wow, CNN are seriously not pulling any punches. After this break, they're going to discuss the fact that the whole tragic outcome has been predicted for years, right down to the number of people who would have to/choose to stay behind rather than evacuate. "

yeah I posted on the other thread that apparently they've calculated for awhile that it was around 112,000 HOUSEHOLDS, which is at least double that number of people...224,000 PEOPLE left behind after evacuation. and yet they weren't prepared with provisions...crazy

Thea (Thea), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Fox News only focusing on the looting; It's real easy to try to lessen the criticism on those who you're covering for if you continue to show the people in trouble as inhuman vandals. Why, they're animals! it's not so bad that our elected officials can't do shit to help! C'mon...do you really have such a dire view of society that it relies on leadership to set its morals? sounds like fascism! people are reposnible for themselves and their community. the same people that are attacking bush would otherwise be "grass roots" supporters! MInd the Gap!

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

You know, I didn't think I could hate George W. Douche (clever wording, cheers) any more than I already did, but the last couple of days have been a real eye-opener. That feckless, complacent assboat should be in jail. Or, preferably, dropped from a helicopter onto the Superdome with prime steaks lashed to his worthless carcass.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

C'mon...do you really have such a dire view of society that it relies on leadership to set its morals? sounds like fascism!

what the fuck are you talking about? i'm saying that if the entire point of your news station existing is to blast RNC talking points 24/7, funny how convenient it is to tailor your coverage to how "disgraceful" those people in need are in an effort to deny any sympathy and thus lower the intensity of criticism.

will that actually happen? fuck, i dunno. will that stop them from trying? take a fucking guess.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Dennis Hastert is such a fucking jackass.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5249797,00.html

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

(an excerpt from josh marshall's note on the pat robertson thing -- also operation blessing was at no. 2 on that 'give cash' list until someone i guess complained and then the 'given cash' list was reorg'd alphabetically:)

Now, how legit is Operation Blessing? CharityNavigator.com, which rates charities, gives them four stars (their highest rating) across the board. They report giving fully 99.4% of their income to program expenses and trivial amounts to administration and fundraising.

On the other hand, Robertson has repeatedly been criticized for commingling his overseas charitable operations -- specifically, Operation Blessing -- with his personal for-profit ventures into precious metals and diamond extraction, particularly with some of your better-known human rights pariahs and genocidal dictators. Zaire's Mobutu with blood diamonds, Liberia's Charles Taylor with gold mines. He's well diversified.

So, on balance, you might say the picture is mixed.

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)


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