Sideways is a good laugh the first time, kind of embarrassing the second.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link
10% of voters voted for napolean dynamite, can't see where the crime is here
10% of your friends probably liked it
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I knew lots of people hated ND - and with good reason - but I didn't realise Sideways was particularly divisive. What's to hate?
I don't hate it, but Payne has a serious problem with smart women.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Dorian: it's middlebrow Oscar American Indie fare. Toxic to ILX.
Payne's best of the decade was his short in Paris je T'aime.
― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Why make a movie about any people? I don't think it was really all that cruel. I knew plenty of people like Napoleon in secondary school (I was/am one of them), but I don't see it as mocking or mean spirited at all - I see ND as fairly neutral if not sympathetic towards the aspie protagonists. And wtf, it's a funny film, exemplified by the number of people who endlessly (and annoyingly) came to quote it like they did Monty Python (Rex Quan Do, Vote For Pedro, build her a cake, the melon throwing incident etc).
― dog latin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
usually ignore film polls but the apoplexy this one has already inspired makes it all worthwhile
― velko, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
nd wtf, it's a funny film, exemplified by the number of people who endlessly (and annoyingly) came to quote it like they did Monty Python (Rex Quan Do, Vote For Pedro, build her a cake, the melon throwing incident etc).
Lots of people quote dumb shit.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
I agree, but I don't think the movie paints her approach to life in an entirely positive light. Though it's surely a useful coping mechanism for Poppy herself, it's not very considerate of those in her life who don't share this perspective. The driving instructor is meant to be an unhappy man full of barely repressed anger and resentfulness, but I'm not sure I wouldn't have blown my top if Poppy, giggling and refusing to take anything seriously, had been my student.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 7:14 PM (38 seconds ago)
Likewise the guy in the bookstore at the beginning of the movie. It was an uncomfortable scene. It was almost as if she were trying to shame him for being uninterested in her and uncommunicative.
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/malady.jpg
God, his films never fail to put me to sleep. I saw Tropical Malady and Blissfully yours and after an hour or so I was in that weird state where you're half-awake, half-asleep. Which is why I really like his films even though I've never managed to see one till the end. There is such a sense of peacefulness that lulls you.
- Jibe
i was scared that tropical malady was going to be too dreadfully slow and i was kicking myself for missing it in the theatre. but i watched it at home and was riveted.
- a spectator bird
Tropical MaladyApichatpong Weerasethakul2004Thailand(219 points, 8 votes, 1 first place)
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost Middlebrow indie has become such an easy target for so many critics - Anthony Lane and Peter Bradshaw, to name just two, love to use it as a punching bag. Most of the time I agree, but it can be done well - it's not de facto A Terrible Thing. Incredibly unfashionable to defend, obviously.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
So very true.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I adore The Piano Teacher and thought Dogville was great, so fuck the haters. The former, particularly, is a beautiful, horrible film. I think Andrew L was on the money about capturing that awful loneliness, and Huppert puts in such a good performance there.
I voted for Piano Teacher too, I remember really liking it (if "like" is a good word for such a movie) when it came out. I haven't seen it since though, and it's perfectly possible that I would find it less impressive at 30 than at 22, because at at that age I appreciated this sort of "raw" cinema more than I do now. But still, I can't remember any other movie ever leaving me with such a strong, guttural feeling of sadness after I'd seen it, and I think that counts for something. So I had to vote for it.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Morbs about 100xposts Lynn Ramsey scheduled to shoot "We Need to Talk About Kevin" this year with Tilda Swinton, but maybe you knew that.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
That was my first-place vote, if memory serves.
At this point, I'm glad it showed up at all.
does this mean Blissfully Yours not gonna place?
― Cosmo Vitelli, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I loved the first section of Tropical Malady and didn't really understand the second dream-part. It was intriguing, though, enough to make my ballot. One thing that struck me was how loud the outdoor ambient sounds were recorded. It really added something to the atmosphere
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i rescreened sideways a few months ago - it's an ok movie that got picked up by some annoying critics as an example of "quality moviemaking for adults" and so got saddled with that bs aura
― velko, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
truly a great film.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
I must have been high when I praised Sideways. Horrible movie.
― smashing aspirant (milo z), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I wish Virginia Madsen's comeback had paid off though.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I know I'm overly antipathetic toward movies that are aggressively OK. I'm over being too concerned by it.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
It's the same with people.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd be cool with aggressively OK people calling me up more often tbh.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i liked sideways quite a bit and voted for it.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
boring movies generally worse than bad movies
xxxp to Eric
― Cosmo Vitelli, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/talktoher.jpg
The last few frames of Talk To Her are heart-stoppingly beautiful.
― N. (nickdastoor)
I'm now in a huge argument with a friend about this film (saw last night). I'm frankly appalled by the rape and the way the film sets up the rapist as a person to sympathize with. Despite the otherwise stunning quality of the film and performances, I had a hard time dealing with the horror of the act in question (and I'm usually pretty relative about morality).
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi)
A. is an amazing filmmaker, but one item on his agenda--always--(like John Waters) is gratuitous shock. Intentional bad taste of the sort that isn't really bad taste at all but is, or would be, clearly destructive to society, if it weren't just a movie. The other aspects of his films, lately, have been so lyrical, and successful on an artistic level, that the films trick people into elevating the shock features to the same level as his more "serious" musings. It's very manipulative. But that's okay for an artist, I think.
― Skottie
Talk To HerPedro Almodóvar2002Spain(220 points, 10 votes)
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf does aggressively OK even mean
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, Talk to Her is surprisingly low.
― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I like Weerasthakul fine, but couldn't honestly feel higher than 60th-80th for TM. He entrances but I'm still not always sure (or even able to guess) in the service of what.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
its weird obama is a matador
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
sideways/napoleon dynamite showing up is making me worried that u bastards are going to vote little miss sunshine into the top 20 and im going to have a seizure
― rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i think it's 'talk to her' where a hot secretary sez something like i just took a huge dump ~
didnt vote for it, but it's a good movie
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
i just dislike sideways tho, i fucking hate ND
― rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Spencer Chow otm
― Cosmo Vitelli, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Am I gonna regret bookmarking this thread?
― sarahel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Thought silent film sequence was by far best thing in Talk to Her, don't honestly remember much else.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
This is the main reason I can't really deal with Talk to Her, even though most of it is quite good.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
This was the comatose-chick one, right?
I thought Talk to Her was good, though I liked Volver more - I also remember very little about Talk to Her. I also thought Manderlay was better than Dogville.
― sarahel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
xp - comatose chick one, yes.
lol this was the line i was thinking of - that its just so throw-off makes me <3 it
(Lest we dwell too long, for instance, on Alicia's shock at finding Benigno in her house, her father's receptionist answers the phone and offers this gem: "Oh, hello, Lola. I've just taken an elephant-sized dump." Cut to the next scene.)
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Tropical Malady is new to me, looks interesting
― ogmor, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
He entrances but I'm still not always sure (or even able to guess) in the service of what.
agree but think that's the strength of it. it's refreshing.
― jed_, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
I can't remember anything about Talk to Me either.
― Darin, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i remember it being super overrated at the time, i thought it was so-so
― velko, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm now in a huge argument with a friend about this film (saw last night). I'm frankly appalled by the rape and the way the film sets up the rapist as a person to sympathize with.
See, I disagree. We often confuse "sympathize" with "interested in."
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/together-1.jpg
"Together" was so goddamned charming!
― Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic)
TogetherLukas Moodysson2000Sweden(220.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place)
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:39 (fourteen years ago) link
taking a break for now...
^great screengrab, great movie
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link