Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

would have made sense to call boone "brother"

i'm assuming in this timeline charles widmore doesn't exist off-island. and so penny doesn't exist, so desmond never meets her, never goes on his boat race and for whatever reason is now on a flight from sydney to LA.

btw how did kate end up in a tree while everyone else was exactly where they were when the bomb went off?

But Widmore had a family off-island--one of the reasons he was banished. I have to figure Penny was born before 1977. If Des & Penny did meet in the alt-timeline, there'd be no a-hole father making him feel unworthy.

kate was hiding in a tree when the bomb went off

Yeah, I assumed that the split into parallel realities would occur at the moment of turbulence. But that appears not to be the case.

oh this is useful: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Differences_between_flashsideways_timeline_and_original_timeline

Flashsideways timeline: Charlie goes to the restroom apparently to kill himself by choking on a bag of heroin.

Why do they think this was a suicide attempt, instead of him just trying to bring the drugs in by swallowing them?

Because Charlie tells Jack "I was supposed to die."

I think something weird is going on with Desmond; not only did he sort of magically appear on the flight when he was nowhere near it the first time, but he didn't appear to be one of the passengers who disembarked; they gave some screen time to all of the other main characters when they got off the plane and he was nowhere to be seen.

Perhaps instead of just bouncing around in his own personal timeline, he is bouncing between the parallel universes, and not just mentally but physically?

Because Charlie tells Jack "I was supposed to die."

― Hoisin Murphy (jaymc), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 10:51 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I just interpreted this as like a general fate statement, like "I deserve to die"

xpost there's always something weird going on with desmond. he could've been a figment of jack's imagination as well - memories leaking through time or something.

I think that statement was meant to be interpreted a lot of different ways since the viewer has no idea if Jack and Charlie are aware of what's going on or if there's a plan or fate or something that they're supposed to be following on the plane. (xpost)

man it is going to be a bitch for all these lostpedia contributors to start adding "flashsideways" entries to all the character pages.

Basically who kills themselves by trying to choke on a baggie of drugs in an airplane bathroom?

a junkie?

you'd sort of think that anyone with a bag of heroin who was trying to kill themselves would just open the bag of heroin and swallow it, ging out with an OD rather than by choking

Original timeline: In custody for the murder of her stepfather. Flashsideways timeline: In custody for the murder of her stepfather's apprentice.

what? I must have missed this seemingly important detail

huh I don't remember that either

i would like to state that the grand tradition of terrible cgi on lost was carried on by the underwater island thing. also, wtf at the music they used?

x-post Kate killed Mickey Mouse.

I dunno, maybe it has to do w/ that America's Most Wanted video on Kate that they played at ComicCon. I didn't pay attention, but there were supposedly differences in the story of her crimes.

i would like to state that the grand tradition of terrible cgi on lost was carried on by the underwater island thing. also, wtf at the music they used?

― rhea perlman is "horrible" (jjjusten), Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah everyone who i watched it with burst out laughing at those terrible cgi fish

it's kind of too bad that Juliet is doing that terrible "V" remake, I was kind of hoping the interminable Kate/Jack/Sawyer merry-go-round was done

btw who will help me bankroll a Hurley/Miles spin-off series

ghost cops fighting crimes!

the Kate/Jack/Sawyer/Juliet musical chairs game was worse imo (xpost)

the comic con vid is definitely the source of that detail about kate killing her dad v her dad's employee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQXuiCge-wI

i think a lot of the duller moments of the premiere will be a lot more interesting in hindsight after we've seen more of the season.

I had a total BUMMERZ moment when Rose started talking to Jack and I was all "wait, she's goingto die of cancer now, isn't she ;_;"

yeah as an episode in and of itself it was kind of a dud imo, but the details that they'll be mining will definitely make it more interesting

haha my wife said the same thing about Rose

Maybe Rose doesn't have cancer in the flash-sideways!

yeah everyone who i watched it with burst out laughing at those terrible cgi fish

my wife and I lolled at that too

I was too busy going "oh snap, the island is underwater" to lol at fish

I oh, snapped at the underwater dharmaville swing set and then also lolled

I think I was kind of like, "get that fake-ass fish out the way so I can see that foot"

it kind of reminded of a letterman top 10 intro

Yeah, I assumed that the split into parallel realities would occur at the moment of turbulence. But that appears not to be the case.

It looks like the new timeline's created in 1977 with the Jughead explosion. So there's years of alternate history leading to the 2004 we saw in this ep. The character dynamics are largely the same even if the details are different at this point, but that may change as the two lines converge somehow. We know that the history of the island in the alt-timeline is mostly the same, ie the statue is built and destroyed, Dharma comes to the island, etc. So some event happens between 1977 and 2004 to sink the island.

it kind of reminded of a letterman top 10 intro

― bnw, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 11:56 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ha ha otm

We know that the history of the island in the alt-timeline is mostly the same, ie the statue is built and destroyed, Dharma comes to the island, etc.

No, the statue had already been built and destroyed and Dharma had already come to the island when the Incident happened. No reason to assume it didn't sink then.

Ah, that's true. We were shown nothing on the sunken island to date it post-Incident/1977.

yeah i think the bomb going off propelled the 77-ers to their proper timeline (2007, with Ajira Airways, Jacob, Ben etc.), while creating an entirely new timeline where the island sank and they never crashed.

I didn't hear one fuckin frackles

there was a blondie though

gonna be pretty ;_: if this season is frackles-free

I hope they make some bold fashion choices for ben this season

I am thinking that the reason that Juliet knows that it worked is that she became unstuck in universes due to being right near the blast.

Damn lotta posts to catch up on the last 12 hours!

A theory on Lostpedia was that MIB saying 'nice to see you out of those chains' he was referring not only to his having arrived in chains on the Black Rock but also having been a slave of Jacob's for years, which I thought was awesome.

Why was Jack's neck bleeding btw?

― JimD, Wednesday, February 3, 2010 9:39 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so they have something to connect the preceding events to when shown later on, a la the rip in Ben's coat

lol women don't understand alternate realities

Thanks for the call above on Puppet Master guy from Heroes being the cab driver that Kate sticks up - it indeed was David H. Lawrence.

And the Desmond thing is definitely interesting, since he has been untethered to time, perhaps he will also be untethered to the shifting realities..

btw who will help me bankroll a Hurley/Miles spin-off series

The Shannon thing I'm pretty sure they said she didn't accept their offer to come back - that's the only reason she was written off the plane.

And for Juliet... so she should be totally alive and cool in the alternate universe, so she'll probably pop up again some point this season. Maybe you're right and that's how she figured it out right before she died.

they writers may try to be cute and reconcile the two time lines as one--

the current 2004 lost people all become friends, jack operates on locke, sawyer bangs kate, hurley becomes mayor of LA, and somehow they decide to go back to the island in 2007... when they wake up in the aftermath of the bomb going off.

wtf, one of my Facebook friends just wrote "I don't have a TV at home, what is 'Lost'?" as her status

so, my (prob wrong) thought on the nice to see you out of those chains thing re: alpert - the only character we've seen in chains (and that locke has seen in chains) on lost is Anthony Cooper (lockes dad, the real sawyer)

from lostapedia:

Acting on knowledge obtained from a file given to him by Richard Alpert, Locke carried Cooper to the Black Rock and then lured Sawyer there to kill him, claiming that the man he was holding captive was Ben. After Locke locked Sawyer and Cooper in the Brig together, Cooper told Sawyer about how he came to the island, corroborated Naomi's claim that Flight 815 was found with no survivors, and shared his belief that the island is actually Hell. Cooper then inadvertently revealed his past connection to Sawyer, who handed him the letter he wrote to the original Sawyer as a child, demanding that he read it. When Cooper mocked Sawyer and tore up his letter, Sawyer strangled him to death with a chain. ("The Brig")

so its possible that alpert gets to inhabit memories/peeps as well?