Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

Plus Miles had that wtf? expression on his face when he was leaning over Sayid's body. Don't know what that means.

Probably meant "I don't hear him...he ain't dead."

so are we really gonna do a new thread for every single episode? or just rename the thread?

also i dig the new sound fx for the flash.... paralleluniversing... whatever it is.

Surprisingly unclear about where they're going with this season though, usually within the first 2 hours of the season there's a pretty good indication of the direction they're going in. I guess on the island we'll see this battle play out b/w Evil Locke and the remaining Others, though what's up with the other reality... and how did Juliet know??

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pretty sure this is the thread for the whole season, just the brilliant subject line happens to refer to the first episode

i'm glad there's not a strong indication of where this is going, i'm kinda hoping by the end of the season there'll have been a whole lot of shit going down that you can't even begin to predict

I feel like that'd be kind of a shit way for Sayid to peace out, too. A character like that dies for real...? That deserves more than three minutes of contemplation, before he rises from the dead while being piloted by some touchy-feely sort-of-immortal island spirit.

I dunno I was satisfied when Sayid died. And then I thought it was a great ending to have him come back to life. I dont really think it's jacob though, but if it is we'll see.

x-post: kinda happened to Locke though

"Don't worry about your buddy, I got his soul parked in a safe spot while I use the body. He's in the spot Don Blake goes to when he's not being Thor...in fact they're probably playing gin rummy now."

Also, if Jacob is now Sayid, then who the FUCK is Christian? Dude's been calling intermittently calling himself Jacob for a while, hasn't he? Or am I misremembering?

I feel like there's an inconsistency with the temple and the smoke monster and the fact that these temple guys are now trying to keep the smoke monster out. I can't quite pinpoint it though, but didn't the smoke monster used to reside at the temple as some kind of security system? You'd think it'd be on pretty good terms with all these guys.

i'm kind of confused about those guys in general. have any of them, flight attendant aside, ever been seen onscreen before?

I don't think so, this is a new crew.

With Deadwood Sol!

No. I just assumed they're like temple guardians or something.

Christian always said he wasn't Jacob, but he "worked" for him or something like that... of course since he always talked to Locke, I think he was just Smokey all along. Interesting that Smokey started piling up the dead acolytes and removed the stick from Bram's head - probably gonna posess 'em later?

The security system thing was an invention of Danielle's, I think? and she could've been wrong/misinterpreting Smokey possession of her crewmates. My theory - it hung around the temple at the time but couldn't get in - assuming that's where he wants to go, of course. Also that was in 1987 or whenabouts.

The people at the temple are mostly new actors (hey John Hawkes! yay!) but they're the same group of Others since the start, since Richard had them moved there in 2004 when the island blipped. Even a bunch of the random kidnapped children were there.

that one guy that took Kate's first choice at Taxi.. he's been on screen before right. Even if he was just one of the plane survivors that chilled in the background?

Yeah, the smoke monster has definitely had a weird non-antagonistic relationship with the others though. Like when Ben had it kill Keamy's men in season 4. It's hard to tell what they knew about smokey or what they thought they knew and were wrong about. But at this point it seems like they're definitely protecting themselves from it.

x-post yeah that was frogurt. He got killed in the beginning of season 5 by the flaming arrows. I think he also had season one screen time, but don't remember him.

he's like a poor man's buscemi.

Thanks for clarifying Frogurt for me.

I always wanted Fake Locke to be the good guy and Jacob was somehow the bad guy (probably because I thought the show would be cooler that way). Now it seems that Fake Locke is obviously a bad guy, or rather some monster trying to "find his way home" regardless of who he hurts. Too bad

that's not a big enough regret for me to think the series won't end cool

any idea who the cab driver was that was driving Claire and who Kate held at gunpoint? looks familiar, but it's possible I've just seen him in some other tv show or movie rather than in Lost

Frogurt is also the dude from this classic Got Milk? commercial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSsswr6z9Y

haha

the templars being dressed in ratty earthtones might be a retcon to explain why the captured kids in season 2 were later seen in rags... before we learned the ben/alpert others didn't really dress like that

Not just the kids, but many Other appearances in different time period (though particularly the 70s and 80s). for a while I suspected it was a changeover when Ben took over the camp, but then Ellie and Richard looked well-dressed in the 50s and 70s. It's been incredibly inconsistent though (see Richard in Ben's first flashback episode in season 3 vs. last year's finale).

I feel like there's an inconsistency with the temple and the smoke monster and the fact that these temple guys are now trying to keep the smoke monster out. I can't quite pinpoint it though, but didn't the smoke monster used to reside at the temple as some kind of security system? You'd think it'd be on pretty good terms with all these guys.

didn't ben go to the temple to atone and meet smokey (when he became alex?). hmm.

so... the island is ruled by john lennon and steve aoki and people are zombies but also living in a parallel universe? hmm. also was the 1st ep not shit? i actually said out loud 'omg would you just die already?' to juliet at one point.

People required a Sawyer/Juliet ending that was a little more sentimental. Also, it set up the opportunity for Miles to find out "it worked."

they didn't have to waste 42 min on that!

crossing fingers for a GHOSTOFF b/w Miles and Hurley. that would be rad.

loved how miles seemed a bit put off when hurley was all 'hey man if you wanna talk sometime...' to deadsayid!

so was that the list, in the ankh?

Oh how I laughed when the guitar case opened to reveal a big comedy prop ankh

i liked how bram went out. smokey's smaaaaaaart

Some random thoughts:

What does it mean to be the "leader"? Ben became the leader by lying, then Christian/Smokey convinced Locke he was the leader, and then Fake Locke/Smokey was the "leader". But Alpert, Widmore, and Hawking all clearly believed in the concept of their being a leader, and Hawking seemed like she was authentically the leader during the 1977 pre-incident days. In the original storyline, Widmore was once the leader, but that seemingly never happened in the new timeline because the island was sunk, probably with Hawking on it.

Clearly, Desmond and other key players on the alternate oceanic flight (The Oceanic Six, including Aaron, and probably also Desmond, and maybe Stewardess lady, possibly Claire). I kinda think Charlie and Boone and most of the other random folks on the plane are not going to play into the story much. But the rest of them have stuff to do, and I think it's possible that Christian's coffin fell out of the plane during the turbulence.

Sun and Jin are on the island at the same time now, so they will be reuniting soon.

Not convinced that Sayid is Jacob now, but it's possible. He seemed very Sayid to me when he woke up. At the very least he will have some new power. Jacob wouldn't go through all that trouble for nothing.

I think the temple guys were always there, and I think Ben has been there plenty of times. (Ben had never been to Smokey's lair, though. Fake Locke took him there for the first time, and then disappeared, and then manifested as Alex, etc.) He was brought back to life there, and he was thought to be the leader by everyone. I think as a kid he learned how the leader does business, and took the opportunity to lie his way into being the leader.

Clearly Alpert was once a slave or a prisoner on the ship.

Smokey is trapped on the island and wants to go to his home, but where might that be if it's not the island?

"there being a leader", rather

i liked how bram went out. smokey's smaaaaaaart

Yeah, that was nice. MIB can't touch Jacob, so Jacob's ashes become the circles of ash that stop MIB. (Even though they've been used before they're collected, I'm sure Ilana's going to be collecting them in a bit.)

My head hurts a lot w/r/t alternate timeline 1977-2004 after reading this interview

Clearly Alpert was once a slave or a prisoner on the ship.

A theory on Lostpedia was that MIB saying 'nice to see you out of those chains' he was referring not only to his having arrived in chains on the Black Rock but also having been a slave of Jacob's for years, which I thought was awesome.

Smokey is trapped on the island and wants to go to his home, but where might that be if it's not the island? - if it is outer space, somebody is going to get punched.

OH MY GOD IF THIS SHOW ABOUT A MYSTERIOUS ISLAND, A MAGIC SMOKE MONSTER, IMMORTAL GUYS AND MYSTERIOUS TIME-SPACE ANOMALIES GOES SCI-FI, I'LL, I'LL...

see, though, alien involvement is where I draw the line, dammit!

srsly tho, "it came from outer space" would be as much as a deus ex machina copout as the snowglobe theoury, omg it's all in HURLEY'S MIND, etc. Not that I think they'll go there, but I guess they coooooouuuld...

I loved these eps, tho. The PseudoLocke/Alpert/Ben stuff, especially, was a HUGE payoff imo. Echoing the sentiments of others, I'm a bit wary of the parallel timelines, but they pulled flash-forward & time-skipping devices off well enough that I'm not that worried about it. Someone else mentioned this, but yeah there seemed to be a serious Apocalypse Now nod going down b/w Locke in The Foot & the temple o doom.

good episodes i thought

glad to see the new others

yeah that was frogurt. He got killed in the beginning of season 5 by the flaming arrows. I think he also had season one screen time, but don't remember him.

I think he was just mentioned in SSN 1. He 1st appeared in one of those webisodes, needling Hurley about Libby.

Re: Smoke Locke's home. Could be he wants to escape the island and go back to the mainland (Egypt? Tunisia?) In which case the island all along may have been a prison colony for an evil spirit, with Jacob as jailer.

He left Ben behind, right? Which means another SSN of prisoner Ben cracking jokes.

I figure when we get an Alpert-centric episode we'll find out that the Asian Temple guy is also ageless & was on that boat we saw, (or came even earlier.)

Re: Smoke Locke's home. Could be he wants to escape the island and go back to the mainland (Egypt? Tunisia?) In which case the island all along may have been a prison colony for an evil spirit, with Jacob as jailer.

I like this theory. The Egyptians, with their mysteriously advanced maths & such were able to utilize some channel of electromagnetic power/timespace manipulation thingamajig to send the Smokey entity into a vacuum, which Jacob was responsible for guarding, acting as or in accordance with whatever deity is represented by the statue..

Guys all this talk about Smokey possessing people and this -- they had to drown him so he had a dead body to jump into like the black tunic guy did Locke -- ignores the fact that Locke's body is currently lying on the beach, unpossessed by anybody. I don't think he possesses any bodies, he just somehow "scans" people like he did with Eko, and can then impersonate them, or someone important from their lives, later.

..Except their were rips in the envelope that allowed occasional passers by to stumble upon or, alternatively, be purposely drawn to the island. Of those, certain individuals were granted preferential status by Jacob & taken on as his accomplices. Alpert & possibly Asian shaman are two of those & Ben conned his way past Widmore into such a position, tho he was either just lying consistently to protect the grift or was unknowingly working for Smokey the whole time. OK I'm done (for now).

ugh, typos. whatevs. it's early.

I wonder if there's something significant about Sayid that made him the one to save. Maybe Jacob needs a body to ump into & Sayid's is the most available. But perhaps it has something to do w/ causalty: Sayid shot by Roger Linus in retaliation for shooting Ben--who was taken to the Temple, lost his innocence & grew up to kill Jacob.

GUYS THE ISLAND IS UNDERWATER

and i still haven't received an answer why desmond is on the plane?

I wonder if the Aquahotties are still there.