Katrina's aftermath

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But sadly, no decking.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

• Watch: Mayor to feds: 'Get off your asses' | Transcript

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Distant x-post I've been thinking a lot about Saramago's "Blindness," too, which seems all the less metaphorical now that its scenario has more or less actually played out.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

"It is reported that black hurricane victims in New Orleans have begun eating corpses to survive."

President Busch (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

Mayor Nagin doesn't look exactly happy with the Pres.

yeah, he looks pissed off.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

BTW, where the fuck has Dick Cheney been for the past, oh, since the election? They should send him down to New Orleans and use him as a rescue raft, buoyed by the space where his soul should be. Then they should bury him and let his decomposed body turn to fuel and enrich future Bush descendents when they drill in the swamp that once was New Orleans.

God, all this stuff makes me so angry.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm a little suspicious of that cannibalism claim... otm about "Blindness" though. jesus, I hadn't even thought of that but its totally prescient.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

(mostly because you can go for weeks without food. its water thats the immediate need, and you won't get that from eating a corpse. why would people resort to cannibalism...? it doesn't make sense)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Well, when this all plays out, I guess Bush will prove himself the ultimate uniter. Per a recent "Slate" piece, 100% against him.

I'm really hoping that once the water recedes or is pumped out, things won't get worse than they already are. I mean, what if they have to level 80% of the city and start over? Where will all those people go for months?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

(mostly because you can go for weeks without food. its water thats the immediate need, and you won't get that from eating a corpse. why would people resort to cannibalism...? it doesn't make sense)

http://www.boston.com/globe/search/stories/health/how_and_why/011298.htm

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

sorry that isn't very convincing. lots of things have water IN them (concrete, for example) that doesn't mean you can or should eat them for their water content.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

It seems easier to debunk the cannibalism story by pointing out that the story isn't mentioned anywhere except in that one article, and there it's being presented third-hand.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

yeah that too.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i wasn't presenting it as fact ... i thought it interesting, especially the phrasing.

President Busch (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

It sounds to me like something that the "they are animals" crowd would cook up.

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

holy shit, GO DETROIT!

The Detroit Metro Convention & Visitors Bureau and local hotel owners have also been meeting with city officials and have determined that about 2,000 to 3,000 rooms would be available for hurricane victims, according to the mayor.

[...]

The Detroit Medical Center is among 34 hospitals in Wayne, Washtenaw, Livingston and Monroe counties that are mobilizing volunteer medical personnel to be deployed to areas affected by Hurricane Katrina.

Local health officials plan to set up temporary hospitals with 250 beds each to treat injured or sick people, the station reported.

Michigan health care workers volunteering for the mission will divide into 100-member teams to staff one hospital each. Officials plan to have 10 hospitals running by this weekend and 10 more by next week, the station reported.

"We sort of anticipate what they're going to need and we put the call out and the enrollment is beginning this afternoon at different sites across not only southeastern Michigan, but every hospital in Michigan," said Dr. Jenny Atas, of the DMC. "All of this is being coordinated with the Michigan Department of Community Health in conjunction with the Michigan Hospital Association."

Officials have asked medical personnel not to attempt to go down to hurricane-stricken regions on their own, but to coordinate their efforts with the hospital-organized volunteer effort...


(of course, Kilpatrick is currently in hot political trouble due to shenanigans, but at this point, who gives a fuck? Somebody wantsta offer help, take it)

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Nola.com editorial:

Editorial: Faster, faster -- Please
Friday, 3:34 p.m.

On the elevated portion of Interstate 10 near Orleans Avenue, a group of displaced people pushed a wheelchair carrying a dead woman. She wore pink pajama bottoms -- and a white kitchen garbage bag on her head.

People wandered around expressway on-ramps hoping for a ride to... anywhere.

Outside the Superdome, refugees were crowded onto a concrete walkway. The situation inside the Dome was beyond hellish.

Hurricane Katrina has created a humanitarian crisis of unimaginable proportions. And if the main strategy for addressing that crisis is to evacuate the east bank of New Orleans, then local, state and federal officials need to move much faster to get people out.

On streets across the city, people are in agony. And lives are in danger, because of looters, because of dwindling medical supplies, because of conditions that would strain even the healthiest of people.

Security had improved in much of the city late Thursday and Friday. It was a relief to see so many uniformed men bearing machine guns patrolling expressways and major intersections. But in some parts of the city -- particularly those slivers of Uptown New Orleans that suffered relatively little flood damage -- the presence of law enforcement and relief agencies seemed minimal at best.

In those same areas, some residents were still under the dangerous illusion that they could wait out Katrina's aftermath at home, just as they waited out the hurricane itself. Others understood the dangers but had no way to travel and little hope of getting authorities' attention. On Constantinople street near Prytania, a severely sunburned, diabetic 80-year-old had run out of insulin, and the woman who had given her shelter could get no assistance. On Belfast Street near Fontainebleau, two 93-year-olds needed to evacuate but could not.

As more and more people clear out of the city indefinitely, those who remain are at even greater risk. People across the east bank need help in getting out, and lives will be lost if they do not get it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

the offers of help are astounding.

check out what Bungie(the guys who made Halo & Halo 2) are doing:

Bungie Weekly Update
September 2nd, 2005

Hey everyone. It's been a grim week. It's been marked by utter helplessness. We've watched the events in the Gulf States helplessly. We've watched the helpless victims waiting for aid. We've watched government agencies helpless to reach these people. But we're not helpless. We have unlimited opportunities to help and we can start here.

BUY THIS T-SHIRT RIGHT NOW

Seriously. Stop reading for a minute, get a credit card, go to the website and buy the T-Shirt. It's $19.99 and about $15 of that will go directly to the Hurricane Relief effort, through the American Red Cross. Not a penny profit will be made and every cent of cash will go where it's needed.

Don't have a credit card? Grab a parent, make them read this, and get them to buy it for you. And hassle them about it. Make them do it. Come on, you talked them into buying you Halo 2 right? Well this is much more important. Do it. Do it. Do it.

[...]

Now, why did we make a T-Shirt? We used the tools we have. We have a company store that can handle the transactions. We have designers, and we were able to make T-Shirts faster than anything else. And a T-Shirt is something you can wear to show solidarity with the folks suffering there, and reminds everyone around you that it's good to donate. It's a billboard for what we're capable of doing when people need help.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

http://bushlobster.ytmnd.com/

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

yay bungie!

only know a couple guys from bungie, but they've always seemed like very cool, very quality people...extraordinarily considerate of their fanbase....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

yay bungie!
only know a couple guys from bungie, but they've always seemed like very cool, very quality people...extraordinarily considerate of their fanbase....

you know when i saw that, what immediately occured to me(aside from "fuck yeah! gamer power!")?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

and i'm not saying this with any pejorative sense whatsoever. Even nerds, geeks & gamers want to help, and fuck all if they're not gunna help in whatever way they can.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Some airline news:

2:25 P.M. - (AP): The nation's airlines have been putting aside their own financial troubles to fly in supplies and take out refugees from hurricane devastated areas. Relief flights donated by airlines poured into Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport today.


Here are other efforts:


--Some pilots have set up a shuttle service out of Baton Rouge to evacuate high-risk people to Texas. Others are flying damage-assessment missions over the damaged region and taking in critical supplies.


--AirTran Airways today flew two humanitarian aid flights from Atlanta to the Gulfport, Mississippi airport. AirTran dropped more than 20 tons of water, food, clothing, medical supplies and other items.


--United Airlines this week flew 12 tons of food and water from Chicago to New Orleans. On the flight were 30 emergency medical technicians from Chicago who stayed behind in New Orleans. The same jet returned with 104 evacuees from New Orleans.


-- Fort Worth-based American Airlines is offering 500 miles to frequent-flier members who give the Red Cross at least $50 and then show a receipt to the airline.


--Houston-based Continental Airlines is giving 1,000 tickets for hurricane victims to relocate within the United States. The tickets are being doled out by emergency agencies.

That last one is interesting, and I wonder if it is being matched. I'm thinking of Fetchboy and his family here, unless they've got means already to get to LA.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

3:07 P.M. - BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) -- U.S. Sen. David Vitter said FEMA's efforts to deal with the hurricane have been completely ineffective, and he called the federal government's response a failure.


"I think FEMA has been completely dysfunctional and is completely overwhelmed, and I don't know why. This situation was utterly predictable," said Vitter, R-Metairie. "It seems like there was no coherent plan, which I don't understand because this precise scenario has been predicted for 20 years," he said.

Please to note the party affiliation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

3:34 P.M. - (AP) The evacuation of Superdome refugees was interrupted briefly when school buses rolled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt hotel. They were move to the head of the line to be evacuated -- much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the stinking Superdome for days.


The 700 had been trapped in the Hyatt just like the others, but conditions were considerably cleaner, even without running water, than the unsanitary crush inside the dome.


3:14 P.M. - St. Bernard Parish officials say that FEMA has not called them yet...five days after the storm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

i'm genuinely curious to the societal effect that all the people opening their homes to american refugess will have. yeah, there'll be a coupla bad stories, but what long-term positive effects do y'all think will happen?

(aside from Ira Glass getting at least two entire This American Life eps out of it, ho ho)

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Be prepared for a crappy movie about that situation scripted by Darabont in two or three years that wins an Oscar for 'the newly mature Wes Anderson.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Be prepared for a crappy movie about that situation scripted by Darabont in two or three years that wins an Oscar for 'the newly mature Wes Anderson.'

"did you just call me coltrane?"

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

"No."

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Officials Say They Misjudged Astrodome Capacity
Thousands to Be Moved to Nearby Buildings

By Lisa Rein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 2, 2005; 4:03 PM

HOUSTON, Sept. 2 -- Officials here acknowledged Friday they had misjudged the capacity of the Astrodome to handle the flow of evacuees coming from New Orleans and made plans to move thousands of people to nearby buildings for shelter.

By mid-day, about 15,000 people were in the Astrodome, another 3,000 were in the Reliant Arena next door and several thousand cots were being set up at the convention center in the same complex to handle more people. About 20 buses with more than 1,000 people were waiting to be processed -- and had been waiting for hours.


The effort was part of the plan to move as many as 23,000 refugees from the Superdome in New Orleans, but officials acknowledged they were also receiving many other Louisiana residents who have been displaced by Hurricane Katrina.

Paul Bettencourt, the tax assessor-collector for Harris County, which owns the Astrodome, said, "The word has been passed that this is the place to go."

Houston Mayor Bill White said, "Houston is rising to the challenge of an unprecedented domestic refugee situation." He called the emergency preparations a "work in progress" involving officials from the city, county, relief agencies and private corporations.

Late Thursday night, the fire marshal tried to stop the influx of evacuees to the Astrodome, but Harris County officials refused to stop taking in people. Those officials said they had believed they could fit more people on the 8,000-square-foot floor in the building because they planned to put cots under the breezeways, but they realized that was unrealistic since it would isolate people too much.

Houston officials announced Friday morning that Texas Highway Patrol officers were stopping buses on the highways from Louisiana and diverting them to San Antonio and Dallas and some smaller cities.

Harris County police reported they had made a handful of drug arrests and confiscated a dozen knives and guns from people arriving at the Astrodome complex. Everyone coming in is checked for health problems and their bags are searched.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Where's my "I [heart] N.O." shirt?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

(aside from Ira Glass getting at least two entire This American Life eps out of it, ho ho)

haha

I'm thinking special fundraising event, with a slide show! In Millenium Park! Only $50!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

from CNN:

Offers of support have poured in from all over the world. Many countries have offered condolences and made donations to the Red Cross, including Britain, Japan, Australia and Sri Lanka, which is still recovering from last year's tsunami.

(insert "M.I.A. to record track for charity" joke here)

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

hey, maybe that'll finally give ILX a reason to start that elusive M.I.A. thread

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

yeah, there'll be a coupla bad stories,

oh yeah, and i should clarify that i mean that there might be a coupla crimes or bad incidents committed or something, but on the whole it will be very good.

bad stories will be written about this either way.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

hey, maybe that'll finally give ILX a reason to start that elusive M.I.A. thread

"Her new track 'Rainshowers' was announced today..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was just talking to a friend (Canadian, lived in Sri Lanka until he was 12) about the Sri Lankan donantions. He didn't believe me until I showed him an article about it.

The BBC says:
"Up to 60,000 people could still be stranded in the city, the US coastguard says."


lyra (lyra), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

HOUSTON, Sept. 2 -- Officials here acknowledged Friday they had misjudged the capacity of the Astrodome to handle the flow of evacuees coming from New Orleans and made plans to move thousands of people to nearby buildings for shelter.

Doesn't the Astrodome have a capacity-hazard sign in the back somewhere?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Any capacity hazard signs probably refer to standing/sitting people, though. I thought from the articles that I read that they ran out of room for cots.

lyra (lyra), Friday, 2 September 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

The AP's reporting that a bus carrying Superdome refugees overturned and rolled across a median near Opelousas (north of Lafayette) -- one dead, at least 10 injured.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Friday, 2 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

hey jbr, here's a story about the renegade bus, linked to from Drudge

Authorities eventually allowed the renegade passengers inside the dome. But the 18-year-old who ensured their safety could find himself in a world of trouble for stealing the school bus.

"I dont care if I get blamed for it ," Gibson said, "as long as I saved my people."

7 hour drive.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Eighteen-year-old Jabbor Gibson jumped aboard the bus as it sat abandoned on a street in New Orleans and took control.

"I just took the bus and drove all the way here...seven hours straight,' Gibson admitted. "I hadn't ever drove a bus."

The teen packed it full of complete strangers and drove to Houston. He beat thousands of evacuees slated to arrive there.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 September 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

The jig is up / The news is out / They've finally found me...

I can just imagine that bus pulling up to a gas station somewhere near Lake Charles, the clerk looking out the window ...

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

6:26 P.M. - WASHINGTON (AP): Thousands of people stranded in two swamped parishes south of New Orleans are just as desperate for food, water and supplies as those trapped in the city, but they can't get the attention of federal disaster relief officials, Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La., said Friday.
And to make matters worse, Melancon said in a telephone interview, he was unable to deliver that message to President Bush during his visit to New Orleans on Friday because the president's security detail couldn't clear him in to meet with Bush on Air Force One.
After waiting 90 minutes while a U.S. marshal using a satellite phone repeatedly tried, and failed, to contact Bush's plane -- located just 300 yards away at New Orleans' Armstrong airport -- a disgusted Melancon left.
"After an hour and a half of that, and two hours to get down there, I am now back on my way, without seeing the president, not accomplishing anything in my mind today. I've wasted time while people are dying in South Louisiana," he said. "It's not personal to the president. It's just that this whole thing has been handled terribly."
Melancon said the communications problems that kept him from meeting with Bush are symptomatic of the problems that have plagued the slow-moving federal response to the devastation left behind by Hurricane Katrina.

It is important not merely to note this but all the similar suffering going on outside NO -- up the MIssissippi coast, over to Alabama.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

Whoa, I completely missed out on that bus! Awesome.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Friday, 2 September 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

i don't know if it has been noted, but fidel castro has offered to send hundreds of doctors and tons of medicine (!!!).

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

i just watched a story on 29 newborns that were evacuated from a new orleans hospital, and i'm with crazy alan on this one. why didn't they leave before the hurricane hit? And don't give me that "but they didn't have cars" stuff. Those are some stupid babies.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

yeah, scott, here's that article:

Castro offers US medical help

...Some 100 doctors could board a flight to Houston, Texas, as soon as today and 1,000 could arrive tomorrow and the day after, Castro said in a radio and television address. Cuba would also send 26.4 tonnes of medicines.

"Cuba is ready to help immediately," he said. "We offer concrete things, doctors to the site of the tragedy, which is exactly what is missing now."

Castro said a diplomatic note containing the offer was sent today to the US Interests Section, the American mission in Havana, and was the second such offer of its kind made this week.

and the best bit:

At the time, American officials had asked Cuban authorities not to publicise their offer of aid, said Castro, who indicated Havana was still awaiting a response from Washington...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

but that's the extra kicker, isn't it? the only people with the authority to request help are the either type to not recognize when help is needed, or have some thick-headed macho bullshit going on and say that we don't need any of it.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

The Rebellion of the Talking Heads

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

Wait, you mean people are not limiting political comments to the dedicated thread? I am shocked! Why can't we be more like other boards where politics is kept in a tidy, well-definted, "free speech zone"?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)


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