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river wolf, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 05:47 (eighteen years ago)

OK. So I really really love Amanda Lepore, but her whole persona raises a lot of interesting questions for me. Sometimes it seems to me like what she does is the ultimate in male control of a woman's body, since she used to be a man, and she changed into a complete extreme Barbie doll and she exposes her body pretty much anywhere and everywhere. I can't find them right now, but there are pictures of her DJing wearing a dress that fit loosely on top. Her boobs are hanging half of the time, but not in a way that she is actively showing them off, but idly letting them flop in and out of her top. Then there are images like the one above (her naked breasts, with a goose-neck straw taped to her nipple, and going into her mouth)--if that were a picture of a person born as a woman, it would be pretty controversial, but since it's a tranny, it's OK.

I guess what I think about is what it means that this person who was born as a man (at least physically) has sculpted a caricature of a woman's body, which s/he now puts on display for a living, like a puppeteer who gets to control the dummy from the inside.

This is only one line of thought about her, other trannies, and drag queens, but it is the one that I have been mulling over recently.

Etc. Etc.

Jesse, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 05:49 (eighteen years ago)

Not that my adoration (slightly too strong a word) or her is dissipated by these thought. Au contraire--I like that she raises some interesting questions.

What makes her more interesting than typical drag queens or trannies, is that while she is a showperson for sure, she also exudes approachability and a pretty grounded demeanor in interviews, and from what I've read about people who see her around, and from my own really brief encounter with ther.

Anyway, I'd love to hear some thoughts on this.

Jesse, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 05:52 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.amandaleporeonline.com/photos/04/15.jpg

Jesse, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 05:55 (eighteen years ago)

OK, one more thing, and then bed!

This is a really interesting (to me anyway...) short autobiography.

Jesse, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 06:03 (eighteen years ago)

She's pretty ugly.

Colette, welcome to Lakeview East aka Drama Central. We went to Pie Hole one night and these really skinny gay boys were drama drama drama all night long.

Jeff, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

I played tennis from 7 to 10 last and I don't think I am injured at all. Success!

Jeff, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

Not that it makes it OK, but I remember there being some famous photo shoot like this way before ANTM got into it (which I learned about via Bitch or Venus Zine or something similar...), so when I saw it on ANTM, my first thoughts were that
a) they were just copying this other photographer and
b) why did they want to bring that level of controversy (which followed the other photos) to such a fairly tame show?

Sadly, Death sells because it is fascinating.

I'm not anti-fashion. I enjoy it like I do many other forms of popular culture, but, like everything else, it can get ridiculous.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Why wouldn't they want to bring controversy to a tame show? Controversy sells too.

Jesse, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

I had never seen those ANTM shots before, and I woke up with them in my brane. Really disturbing for about ten different reasons, at least five of them political. That shit just should not be. :(

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, I've seen Suicide Girls shoots before where it was all "oooh, look, a knife and a bunch of fake blood, I am the sexy undead!" and while it didn't seem wank-worthy, it didn't bother me like those ANTM shots did. I am trying to hash out why.

Later, though, I need a little coffee bump.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

I really don't want to talk about this at all and I didn't read most of the above discussion, but I don't understand why fashion should be more criticized for discussing crime than any other art form. No one seems to care that the Smiths have song(s) about child murder, but it's fucked up for fashion designers/photographers to address the subject?

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

I finally got netflix movies last night (had to report them all as lost) and watched 30 Rock and Waking Up Dead, because I like movies about bands, touring, etc. It's okay, nothing unexpected...the money stuff is interesting, but I have a hard time believing that everybody in Skid Row is only getting a $20 per diem on a Kiss arena tour. That must be after coke expenses.

Jordan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Why wouldn't they want to bring controversy to a tame show? Controversy sells too.
True, but it was still OTT for that show, especially one watched by so many impressionable girls.

DUDES, my bosses are out today.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

xxpost it's not "addressing the subject," it's crassly exploiting it. At least Morrissey gets to exude some sadness and sympathy. Couture is not capable of doing that.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, I guess you could say that since fashion is an inherently "glamorous" medium, that it is glamorizing violence, but that raises a whole set of other questions (ie, does not other art about violence also glamorize it; does that mean that fashion as an art form cannot address nonglamorous subjects, etc.).

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

"I give you... Derelicte!"

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

n/a nails part of what I've been thinking about with those photos. I had another thought, but I don't really feel like opening a can of worms since I don't think I have the time to word it the way I'd like.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Jeff, are you doing anything fun for your bday this weekend?

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Hahaha kenan OTM.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

I saw one half of one episode of ANTM and it made me have some really patronizing thoughts about fashion design/photography as art so I don't think I'm going to comment.

Jordan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I think that ANTM is probably to fashion as TRL is to music as Thomas Kincaide is to painting, so you have to take it with a bucket of salt.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

It's one of those cases where if it's convincing it's too creepy and if it's not convincing it's awkward.

Eazy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

So when the dick is Project Runway coming back?

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

Though it has been reported that the fourth season will premiere November 14th, 2007, Bravo said in late August 2007 that no date had yet been finalized.

grrr. Fuckers. Tim Gunn is my dad and all, but his new show is just a makeover show.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

I've never seen a fashion reality/competition show. I saw about 10 minutes of American Idol in a pizza place next to the Addison red line one night -- it was early on in the process, when they were trying to weed through thousands of auditioners -- and that was kind of interesting because no one was very polished or even had accompaniment.

Eazy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

Too much music gear I want to buy:

New semihollowbody guitar (now looking at this)
Reel-to-reel recorder (but there are so many kinds and prices and I don't know anything about it)
Mixer
Mics
Effects pedals
Other crap I don't need

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

Other crap I don't need

but would totally use and enjoy, that's important, too.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

I need like $5,000.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

I think it would be especially bitchin' to get a reel-to-reel recorder but in addition to the above misgivings it's probably a bad idea to simultaneously teach myself to use one properly and record a new FF album on it.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

I would watch a game show called I Need Like $5,000, as long as it involved trivia or a wheel of some kind and not degradation.

Eazy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

Cash Cab! Which is a very satisfying half hour of "lolz god people are stupid."

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

xpost to EZ -I like it. It reminds me of the Billy Dreamer KITH sketches.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

nick, it seems your "lazy zing" thread has gone monkey side. Too bad. It could have been beautiful. :(

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

I'm craving jellybeans (!).

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

Obv, there must be some important vitamin in jellybeans that my body NEEDS.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

This is the awesomest, but $160 shipping/handling! http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-388-Studio-8-Reel-to-Reel-8-Track-Recorder-Mixer_W0QQitemZ320157757475QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

I went through a phase where I ate starburst jellybeans constantly. Jelly Belly scares me...the good ones are great but the bad ones are enough to make me avoid random assortments. I wouldn't mind some sour patch kids though.

Lucy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

xp ROAD TRIP @ VEGAS!!!!

dan m, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

I love Sour Patch Kids!

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

They're the best. I eat them until my mouth hurts.

Lucy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

john . . . are you on here? I just sent you my first sound art piece to listen to!

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

also, my husband's favorite jelly beans are the starburst ones. he will eat an entire bag in one sitting & so I'm no longer allowed to buy them for him - per his request.

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, jelly bellies require too much work for me because you have to pick out the best ones. I want a candy I can go to town with.

xp ROAD TRIP @ VEGAS!!!!
I wouldn't wanna go to Vegas again (well, not without the boss's money anyway, ha), but EZ's descriptions of the surrounding areas sounded wonderful.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

also, my husband's...
:-D

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Hi. I will go check my e-mail!

jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, isn't it still kinda weird to say that?

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

I like jelly beans ok but my faves are Sugar Babies, which are kind of like jelly beans. They are the same size and shape.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

I feel like sugar babies get their own category.

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Jelly Beans are too sticky-in-the-teethy for me.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)


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