Ever been with, or been, a prostitute?

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Do you think pornography should be illegal? If not, why is it acceptable for someone to paid for a sex act if cameras are present, but illegal in the absence of cameras?

but you can pay some one to put things in your her butt.

*be paid

You can't Pay Someone To Like You
but you can pay some one to put things in your butt.

AMEN

This is the first I've heard of "Cathouse" but it sure sounds depressing.

It is. Partly because it's such half-assed porn. "Let's make a show that's nearly porn, but pretends like it's some deep sociological documentary!" Frustrating and pretentious BOTH.

porn with people who are slightly less attractive than the average Real Sex couple/group/orgy

Agreed.

Like I said upthread, I don't have too many hang-ups about sex. I never bought into a lot of the puritan bullshit they feed you in this country about sex between consenting adults. And if there's money involved, so be it. Who cares?

-- Bill Magill, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 2:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

uh

oh never mind i misread that
not quite as bad as i thought

I'm not quite sure I can parse that counter-argument, HI DERE. Am I missing some sarcasm?

1. If prostitution were legal, it would exist in a form different from how it exists today, ergo condemning it as a viable legal work alternative based on how it works as an illegal enterprise is intellectually dishonest.

2. Creating opportunity in sector X does not remove jobs from sector Y. Opening up a paper factory in a town that contains a thriving law practice does not, as a consequence, decrease the number of available law jobs in town. By similar reasoning, legalizing prostitution does not reduce the number of available waitstaff positions in nearby restaurants.

porn with people who are slightly less attractive than the average Real Sex couple/group/orgy

Ugh, this is so true. Ugh.

1. If prostitution were legal, it would exist in a form different from how it exists today, ergo condemning it as a viable legal work alternative based on how it works as an illegal enterprise is intellectually dishonest.

I wasn't actually condemning prostitution as "viable legal work", as you might have observed from the sentence above that argument. I was merely saying it was a good argument, not that it carried the force of science.

2. Creating opportunity in sector X does not remove jobs from sector Y. Opening up a paper factory in a town that contains a thriving law practice does not, as a consequence, decrease the number of available law jobs in town. By similar reasoning, legalizing prostitution does not reduce the number of available waitstaff positions in nearby restaurants.

I'm not sure I said anything at all about removing jobs from sector Y. I don't subscribe to the fixed-employment-resource theory of economics.

Oh my god, ILX can make even a thread about prostitution and squickiness and depravity deadly dull. Is that what's meant about the inanity of evil?

bell_labs otm, this is all madness.

Personal choices aside, I suspect we mostly agree that sex should be safely (for both parties) available for hire, if there's a market for it in the first place?

-- Laurel, Tuesday, September 4, 2007 8:11 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

well if there's a market for it, who could possibly have a problem with that?

Confessions of a College Callgirl:

I am a tangle of contradictions. I am not ashamed of my choices and I will fully defend mine or anyone else’s right to make them. But when you ask me if you should do this? My immediate instinct is a loud, desperate no. It’s hard for me to write you back. I can’t make your decisions for you, but I am scared for you. I just want you to know that for every dollar you make there is a price. It’s up to you to decide if that price is worth paying.

More to the point: I brought up the welfare-to-work argument simply as a point of thought-departure. I'm not actively interested in pursuing it, because I think it's ultimately incorrect.

XP:

Oh my god, ILX can make even a thread about prostitution and squickiness and depravity deadly dull. Is that what's meant about the inanity of evil?

Wait, waht? Weren't you just complaining that there was too much prurience and not enough OTM here?

Yeah yeah sorry, I was thinking more about countering people's squickness than about presenting a scientific defense. I mean, I'm pretty sure the minds of those who are grossed out aren't going to be changed by an economics lecture, however enlightening the lecture might be in its own right.

bill magill is nude spock

xp to blog: urgh

A) Your safe word is "Please Stop Daddy"
B) No touching Daddy's cock with your hands, only your mouth.
C) You always massage Daddy's balls while you're sucking his dick.

I 'pologize if my inner-professor child poked his wee noggin out.

lock sex

Nah, no harm. I think thread is increasingly pointless, esp if our one confesser is a troll to start with.

One? Andi confessed, didn't he?

She. And she's about as dependable as the other one.

Wow, I was hoping there would be something here that turned my stomach a little more. And calling your sex partner 'Mommy' or 'Daddy' certainly fits the bill!

No. No, I don't love it when they call me 'Big Poppa.'

OMG c'mon now. Do not use this thread to pass judgement on people's personal sex practices, okay? Jesus christ.

I remember andi doing the suicide troll thing, but I thought he was a he and that maybe trollishness had subsided.

How are you going to coerce people into doing something they wouldn't normally do without removing the opportunity to do something else?

Furthermore, if you reread what I wrote, I never attributed that argument to you; I attacked your assertion that it was a good argument and stated why I disagreed.

Massive xposts but if everyone else gets to bask in the inanity of their own masturbatory typing, I do too.

I am going to be really disappointed if ILX turns into that guy I used to know who said "But I can't dump (my really stupid girlfriend), how will I ever again find someone who'll dress up in little costumes??" First of all, that is the least of your problems. Second, if they sell it in Frederick's of Hollywood, it's not that kinky.

Andi isn't a she, he's a goth-boy.

i know a girl who appeared on an episode of real sex. she was my roomate for about a year and...definitely had some sex addiction issues, would go to those types of parties and troll craigslist casual encounters, and be fine and not feel any guilt and be confident that she was having fun. i never judged her for this, even though it would make me really squeemish if i thought about it to much.

to my knowledge, she only had sex for money a few times, and after each one got extremely depressed and violent towards friends. even though she chose to do it and had so much sex that she "might as well get paid for it" it still made her feel x330243 worse about herself than a casual encounter/one night stand where no money was exchanged.

i know that doesn't apply to everyone, but i think there are usually awful consequences to your psyche/idea of self when you receive money for sex, and the whole idea of getting off on that is a bit creepy to me. i think maybe there should be shame involved for men who pay for sex, cos there definitely is shame, publicly and privately, for the women.

ILX loves you, never fear, whether you dress up in little costumes or not.

(xpost) I think it's the whole "getting used" bit; I know singers who are violently opposed to getting paid to sing because they feel it would ruin their enjoyment of their art.

Are there two Andis? Because those WDYLL photos were...kind of clearly a girl, I thought?

Are you thinking andi mags, Laurel?

(xpost) Haven't you seen "Silence of the Lambs"?

Not a troll. And I don't know what nude spock means. I don't really think I have anything to "confess".

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I think that for the most part, we can agree that adults should be allowed to engage in consensual sex acts for money given certain protections and restrictions.

But agreeing to that isn't the same thing as agreeing that prostitution, the way it's put into practice right now, (certainly in the US) is O.K. I think most of us can agree that current (mostly illegal and "underground" prostitution) is far too exploitative, abusive and/or physically and emotionally harmful to the prostitutes to be "O.K." for people to visit.

In fact, those two positions (in theory, prostitution is O.K.; the way is it currently practiced, it is not) in a lot of ways lead into one another, i.e., prostitution is crepey the way it is now (illegal), so maybe we should legalize it.

bill "nude spock" means, do you like to have sex with prostitutes while you wear vulcan ears, y/n?

Hey, I'm not stupid or insane (much), I know that pet names and fantasies are harmless. I know that fulfilling fantasies through role-playing is harmless. But still, when fantasy role-playing gets into simulations of pedophilia and incest I get squicked, and I said so. I'm pretty sure I didn't say anyone should be shamed by their fantasies, or go to jail for them, or even care what I think. So, if this is a big problem for you, please give me your arguments in favor of pedophilia and incest. Or climb a tree. Whatevs.

http://www.the-spine.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/tcspock.jpg

BAN MR. QUE

whuh? why? did i post tubgirl accidentally again?

hahahaha no but that was awesome

I think I might be, JMC.

On all other points, you are all fucking nutters (except max and bell b/c I love her). Oily, wtf are you even TALKING ABOUT?? If I cared to deal with your post srsly, I would be giving you my arguments in favor of FULFILLING FANTASIES, as you yourself just allowed for, not arguing for real-life rape/pedo/incest. Everyone is getting all emo'ed up here and being retarded.

on every ilx thread: someone accused of being nude spock not knowing who nude spock is

Que, you're getting banned because those are obviously FERENGI ears, not VULCAN.

(ps ban me)

Also Laurel, you know that max restated exactly what I said to libcrypt, which, when I said it, made you go "UGH YOU PEOPLE ARE SO BORING", right?

hahaha i had to google FERENGI, a good time though

PROSTITUTES

http://www.threatlab.com/albums/Defcon-X/ferengi_jpg.jpg

fantasies are one thing, putting them to the woman you just hired to blow you in those terms is another

Oh, Dan, you're not crazy. The economics convo at least made sense.

prostitution is like the drug war: it should be legal but that doesn't mean it's 'good,' just that it's hugely more damaging and expensive to police than any real utility we get back by doing so, to no real effect.