"You stand convicted of Assholism!" -- in praise of John Waters

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There never needs to be a greater justification than that.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 May 2008 17:34 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I met John Waters on Saturday in Provincetown! We were there for a friends bachelorette party and said bachelorette happens to be a HUGE JW fan. We were drinking outside on a patio when I saw him leave the restaurant so I went up to him, explained the situation and asked for a photo. He was very nice and agreed but sadly wouldn't pose with Big Joe our blow up doll companion for the night. Will post pic when I get a copy.

ENBB, Monday, 2 June 2008 13:53 (sixteen years ago) link

how have i never been to p-town? :( :(
i want to meet john waters

elmo argonaut, Monday, 2 June 2008 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link

No posing with Big Joe! Well perhaps he wasn't in the mood.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:01 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post! It was my first time in P-town and it was awesome. The town is seriously cute and charming and so much fun. You should definitely go if you a chance. The John Waters thing was great esp since my friend and I are huge fans. It was perfect.

ENBB, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link

He said he was sure it would end up photoshopped and on the internet if he posted with Big Joe. Hahaha.

ENBB, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:03 (sixteen years ago) link

hahahaha - posted. I meant posed, of course.

ENBB, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Hahaha, a VERY wise man. Can't put a foot wrong!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I have never been to P'town either, but as I've read that he's a(n) habitue that would be a primary reason for ever going.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

You're in NY right? Have you ever been to Cherry Grove or The Pines on Fire Island? Very similar feel although P-town is a lot bigger. It was pretty tame this weekend because the weather wasn't great but I hear that in the summer it's just mobbed.

ENBB, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I was in Cherry Grove for about 36 hours, ten years ago. Couldn't wait to leave.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Ha, really? I grew up in another community on FI but have been to The Grove/Pines many times. I guess it is a little full on esp mid-season. Overall I got the feeling that P-town is quieter but like I said it was def a slow weekend.

ENBB, Monday, 2 June 2008 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

his dad passed away

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/obituaries/bal-md.ob.waters12jun12,0,1592699.story

am0n, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Very sad but a long and successful life. The bits with him in Divine Trash are great -- you can tell he's bemused by it all but also proud; I think it's telling that he remembers both John's persistence and the fact that he paid back the loan used to make Pink Flamingos within about a year.

And this does say it all:

"He made us always feel safe," said another son, filmmaker John S. Waters Jr. "Is that not the most important thing a parent could do for their children?"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link

He's actually in the Baltimore Sun again today!

http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bal-te.to.hon13jun13,0,3043558.story

Honfest, this weekend's kitschy celebration of beehive hairdos, cat's-eye glasses and pearls, may be the city's biggest neighborhood festival.

But as Honfest grows, so does the backlash against it. Some Hampden dwellers, local fashionistas and even John Waters - who helped perpetuate the image of the Hon as a Baltimore icon - are fed up with the 50,000-strong festival that began as a simple beauty pageant.

Waters frowns on all the Hon hype. He said he won't use the word or the image in any of his scripts these days, and he doesn't think the city should get behind it either.

"To me, it's used up," Waters said of the Hon. "It's condescending now. The people that celebrate it are not from it. I feel that in some weird way they're looking slightly down on it. I only celebrate something I can look up to."

Apparently this ruffled some feathers because there's a bit in the comments:

I just heard John Waters called the owner of Cafe Hon/HonFest creater to apologize for the quote. He was interviewed 5 weeks ago and not about HonFest. He has proven himself to be a truly nice gentleman.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 June 2008 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

i'm watching pecker right now and everytime that old lady says "full of grace!" i laughed out loud! it's so hilaaarious, kinda reminds me of david lynch brand of humor.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 07:15 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_KyuUtbKQQ

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 7 July 2009 07:15 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

John Water's Curated Collection at the Strand

He picked a book by my grandma's friend/former neighbor!

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 29 April 2011 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd6EO6SGGU8

PTSD clarinet kid (am0n), Monday, 7 November 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

http://dcist.com/2012/05/hitchhiking_director_john_waters_pi.php

Earlier this afternoon, somewhere "in the middle of Ohio," groundbreaking indie director John Waters was found hitchhiking on the side of a road. We're trying to find out just what the Baltimore-based director of Pink Flamingos was doing begging for a lift in the middle of the Buckeye State—indie rock band Here We Go Magic says they picked him up! And he's currently riding around in their van.

http://dcist.com/attachments/nyc_arts_john/051612waters.jpg

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

dcist commenter beat me to NOTHING BUT THESE FUCKING JERKOFF HIPPIES ON THE ROAD

yorba linda carlisle (donna rouge), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

Hahah

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

is the band any good? nothing on ilm that i can see!

goole, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link

Well, uh...

http://www.allmusic.com/album/a-different-ship-r2433665/review

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link

They're a motorik version of Tom Petty. I like them fine

poxen, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

I have never been to P'town either, but as I've read that he's a(n) habitue that would be a primary reason for ever going.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, June 2, 2008 2:42 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm reading his book Role Models, in which he writes: "Since I love minorities and Provincetown is a gay fishing village, I hang out in the two straight bars."

cougars and sneezers (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Aw man. Jean E. Hill -- aka Grizelda from Desperate Living -- RIP

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/john_waters_star_and_plus-size_greeting_card_model_jean_e._hill_rip

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 August 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfqFdE-bXMg

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 August 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link

Honestly amazed that she made it that long after seeing how she looked in A Dirty Shame.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Friday, 23 August 2013 23:51 (ten years ago) link

nine months pass...

so he's written this book after hitchhiking across America.

“There is no such thing as a $5 million independent movie. They want me to go make it like I used to, but I have no desire to do that. I did that. I have 17 movies, they’re all playing everywhere in the world, more than ever. I’ve spoken.”

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-05-30/entertainment/bs-sc-john-waters-carsick-20140531_1_john-waters-carsick-east-baltimore

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link

"The main thing is, when DVDs overnight died, that ended the safety net. That was profit. All foreign deals fell through. Nobody wants any movie that can't play in China. Nobody wants any movie that has to have any subtitles. They just want explosions. They want $100 million movies that are tentpole movies.

The worst thing they want … is a comedy based on wit. And if I was doing something, that's what I'd try to do.

Thank God I have five other careers."

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Complete NYC retro in Sept, featuring several Waters intros/Q&As, plus 8 films programmed by JW (four of which I haven't seen):

The Mother
Roger Michell, USA, 2003, 35mm, 112m
A recently widowed grandmother turns horny and has a secret affair with her daughter’s much younger, loutish boyfriend (played by pre-Bond Daniel Craig). Gerontophilia never seemed so exciting.

Of Unknown Origin
George P. Cosmatos, Canada/USA, 1983, 35mm, 88m
The best rat movie ever. Period. End of discussion.

There's also a Mondo Trasho/Multiple Maniacs/The Diane Linkletter Story on 9/11 for holiday fun.

http://www.filmlinc.com/daily/entry/john-waters-retrospective-film-society-of-lincoln-center-2014

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 July 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link

Did we ever have a thread on the I Am Divine documentary? It's on Netflix, enjoyed it very much.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 July 2014 15:31 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

S&M is dying too. There are very few leather bars left in the country. Gay bars are disappearing. It's getting uncomfortable. It's like having "black bars." They just hang out with everybody. Which I'm for. My message is that I've always been very against separatism. To me, I still like the biker culture, but all bikers are old now. And many of them are fat....

And if they are young, and dressing in leather, you'd think they're gay. They look sort of like the Eagles. But I guess that people tell me that the new, young S&M boys dress like fake skinheads. Non-racist skin heads. That's the look. I guess, I don't see it that much. But I don't go to the bars that much. I live at the beach, and S&M really looks stupid at the beach.

http://gothamist.com/2014/09/02/john_waters_justin_bieber.php

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Great new interview:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/03/john-waters-multiple-maniacs-baltimore-criterion

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link

Even with A Dirty Shame my father said after, “It was funny but I hope as hell I never see it again!” That’s a pretty good quote!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

watched this at bma, didn't disappoint
http://www.nytimes.com/video/t-magazine/100000003435098/teaser-john-waters-kiddie-flamingos.html

am0n, Monday, 31 October 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Found a complete version of Desperate Living on YouTube last night and it fucking killed me again. So many totally insane characters and scenes. I never really noticed it b4 but its definitely his lesbian/dyke film. Of course, there are other um "avenues" explored but that one is most prominent. The low budget sets are fantastic! The buildings in Mortville are near psychedelic in their coloring. Just beautiful. And also of note, was the absence of Divine, fortunately the other Dreamlanders rise to the occasion. Definitely his darkest film by a considerable margin. I fucking love it!

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 29 July 2017 05:14 (six years ago) link

"SEIZE her and FUCK her!"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 July 2017 06:40 (six years ago) link

LOL! Yeah, there are so many great lines in DL."look at that pelt", "every word I utter is to be taken as a direct, royal proclamation", the aforementioned white man/tampax line. It just goes on and on. The scene wherein Mo emasculates herself, tosses it and some random dog grabs it up. It's truly remarkable how successful it is even without The Divine Miss Divine. And its definitely a film whose appeal to me would never be explainable to my parents ala Warhols Trash and many other favorites.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:34 (six years ago) link

For some reason, I can't get my library to stock the Criterion of Multiple Maniacs.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Saturday, 29 July 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link

TELL HER this isn't some communist daycare center!!!

can't tell you how many times i've thought about the title of this thread re: current administration and basically every single news day about it

comey did deflategate (daria-g), Sunday, 30 July 2017 02:14 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

this is pretty priceless btw; the two tone collar is dope and waters is sharp as a tack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEzk1DqTaaQ

amazed no one goes to waters these days with an open checkbook, seems like it would be printing money... has he said he's just not making anything anymore?

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 27 November 2017 06:05 (six years ago) link

I remembered a funny John Waters anecdote yesterday that I told to friends

I saw him speak on my college campus, probably fifteen years ago, and he was joking about how after he'd mentioned poppers a number of times, one of the manufacturers had gifted him a "lifetime supply"

I saw him again a couple years ago, and the topic came up. He said he'd nearly run out! Either they underestimated him or he's lived longer than expected

mh, Monday, 27 November 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link

It’s a good thing I’m not relying on making movies. That’s the only one of the careers I have today that isn’t going so great. In the independent film world now, they want you to make it for $2 million and I don’t want to go backwards. I don’t want to be a faux anarchist underground filmmaker at 71 years old. People say, ‘Well, why don’t you raise money on Kickstarter?’ I own three homes. I’m not panhandling. So that’s fine because I have different ways to tell stories.

Do you miss filmmaking?

No. I mean, I do. I miss it, but not completely. I would make another movie in a minute, but I don’t know when I would make it. I am scheduled for the next year already! I made a lot of movies. It’s not like they’re hard to see. I know I would miss it if I didn’t write. I would miss it if I didn’t do spoken word. I would miss it if I didn’t have a photography career. I’d be happy to make one, but if I don’t make another one, I’m fine with that too.

https://www.fastcompany.com/40480667/john-waters-is-done-being-a-faux-anarchist-underground-filmmaker

curmudgeon, Monday, 27 November 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

I own three homes. I’m not panhandling.

God bless him.

piscesx, Monday, 27 November 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Odorama cards this Fri night in NYC

https://www.moma.org/calendar/events/6341

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

I still have my card from when I saw it in the 80s. Haven't sniffed it recently, wonder if it's still got the aromas.

nickn, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link


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