iPhone apps S/D

actually, grimly, i think the science is sound! told my friend about it and he's mega med school nerd (he has kept SLEEP LOGS for the last year or so...he called me on sunday to ask if i knew i any excel secrets, as he was compiling it all in a spreadsheet) and was like oh yeah i've been meaning to buy a wrist accelerometer

anyway: http://bit.ly/51AhDR

Er: the app has a little graph claiming to tell you when you're dreaming? So: fucking quite a fucking lot?

luckily grimly no one is forcing you to use this app!

HAHA. Yes, I know. There's a surprising amount of negative feedback about it on the app store, which kind of surprised me given how positive people were being about it here.

did u kno grimly that sometimes we use data to infer meaning about phenomena we can't observe directly

:)

i mean, w/e, this thing is actually just a more pleasant alarm clock than my horrible yelling thing and it has been much easier to drag myself out of bed on time these last few days than it was last week. even if the results are totally imaginary, it appears to be working, so i'm fine with the 0.99 i spent on it

(That was an xpost to Cutty, natch: sorry, thought I'd C&Pd that.)

actually, grimly, i think the science is sound! ... http://bit.ly/51AhDR ...

Well fuck me: OK, that's very interesting.

That said, there's got to be a world of difference between a wrist activity monitor and your phone under your pillow, no? :) (For a start: if you share a bed, surely it's going to pick up your partner's movements too?)

I dunno. I'm taking it far too seriously, I guess. If I didn't have so many doubts, I'd categorically give it a try ... but I do. And the most important one remains: I really, really don't like the idea of keeping my phone in the bloody bed all night!

Er: the app has a little graph claiming to tell you when you're dreaming? So: fucking quite a fucking lot?

you're an idiot

And you're a cock. Hurrah!

actually you're a bloody idiot

i'm now using this app in conjunction with my wake-up light alarm - I'd better feel great in the AM from now on

xpost

*Sigh*. You're a bloody cock, then :)

btw I was pleased when I saw I could wake up to Satie but when I tried it, immediately on waking I thought "this is wrong". Back to the lolbient.

i think morning mist was the best

haha ledge i thought the exact same thing re: satie

anyway this seems right: (For a start: if you share a bed, surely it's going to pick up your partner's movements too?)

i live alone so it isn't an issue u_u

forest glade man, myself

another vote for morning mist

btw - what is the deal with the calibration during the two first nights?

the FAQ even addresses that it usually doesn't pick up motion from the other side of the bed. your own body blocks it. you can run the test mode if you are so worried about false tosses n turns.

false tosses

*Chortle* ... I need to stop reading Viz.

Fucking hell, though. I'm going to download this now, I can tell. And then I'm going to quite like it, and Stet will give me endless fucking grief for changing my mind about it.

The picture on the app store shows it tucked under the sheet next to the pillow: is that what everyone is doing here? Are some people putting it under the pillow, or what?

Downloaded. I hate ILX sometimes :)

i just put it on the bed. and loop the cable over the headboard in a way that should stop it falling off, not that it ever seems in danger of doing so.

I have been dreaming a looot lately and have been tired for it. sure enough my graphs show lots of actvity and very little deep sleep. I don't know what's wrong with my brayne ;-;

it also suggests you use airplane mode if you're feart of having the phone in your bed. (lol daily mail)

I know. I'm more feart of knacking the phone, but I see they actually say "don't put it under your pillow, you tool", so hey, I won't. That said, I will be putting it on airplane mode, because I don't want to be woken up by drunken texts, eg from you.

I rarely charge my phone overnight: it can't be much of a battery-draining app, can it?

first thing I do in the morning is check zing, so no airplane mode for me

every morning is like Christmas morning when you see which bookmarked threads have been updates

i slip it under the sheet and put it on silent

i use my phone as my alarm so i have it next to me and cant put it on silent, but i have to turn off the specific email sounds because i get a ton of work emails during the night

it's running the accelerometer and screen solidly for 8 hours; it'll kill the battery dead-o

and put it on silent

Call me an idiot if you want (there's a precedent, after all) but: er, why doesn't that mute the sound from this app too? I put mine on silent, nothing makes a noise.

it's running the accelerometer and screen solidly for 8 hours; it'll kill the battery dead-o

Shit.

first thing I do in the morning is check zing

sad

it doesn't run the screen unless you move it; even then it's at lowest brightness

second thing i do is to try to find all the threads where my favorite ilxor poster cutty has posted to

ah that's some fridge door antics, that. xp

either way, GF: it says to plug it in

http://i45.tinypic.com/ndaib5.jpg

wears the titts at?

Oh, can confirm that the sleepytime thing works for double occupant beds too. Me and the missus both running our own copies, and both getting very different graphs. Trouble is, hers keeps going off before mine and waking me up when I'm still in deep sleep, gah.

i guess you'll need to break up :(

my condolences =(

jeez jim sorry to hear about your divorce

i'm surprised how different my daily graphs are so far

It's weird seeing how infrequently I dream some nights. Last night was nearly all deep sleep apart from one big hour-long spike into dreaming. Was a great dream, too.

4am-5am I might as well as have been dead. tiny little ridges, right down at the very bottom of the graph

oh yeah: I don't think it went off this morning either. When I picked it up, it had a notification box on top of it, which puts it in the background. I think that stops the sounds.

tiny little ridges, right down at the very bottom of the graph

that was me last night. just so happens cat knocked my phone on the floor. the floor slept very well.

It's weird seeing how infrequently I dream some nights

Without wanting to get into a repeat of the argument yesterday and incur Cutty's wrath again: er, meh. I'm guessing it's basing it on some quite old but widely accepted notions about muscle movement before/after REM sleep (e.g. Dement and Kleitman, 1957) but -- for instance -- there are some interesting, newer theories about at which stages dreaming happens, etc (e.g. Solms, 2000: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=84265). Gottesmann (2009) looks like it might be an interesting review of some of this stuff, if anyone gives a shit (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/pmc/articles/PMC2625318/). Then again, I've not read it, so hey.

Anyway, enough of that. Where were we? Oh aye, the app. I tried it out last night and it's actually quite neat, isn't it? It wasn't a great deal of use for me this morning, right enough, because Mrs F got up about half an hour before I needed to, so I was woken by her coming back into the bedroom and clattering about with make-up boxes and wardrobes etc: it didn't seem worth even trying to go back to sleep after that, so I just switched the alarm off. Tomorrow, though, I can have a bit of a lie-in so I'm interested to see how it goes.

I know I was being a bit of a cock about the graph etc yesterday but it is quite interesting, isn't it? I found myself sort-of waking up at various points in the night and thinking: "Wonder if this'll show up on the stats tomorrow?" and it sort-of has (though not always as "awake") ... that said, according to this I also woke the fuck up sharpish at 4.30am, which I don't remember at all. Had seven hours' decent kip, though. And didn't knock the phone off the bed/squash it/etc, so that's got to be a bonus.

i don't think the purpose of the app is to tell you when you are dreaming

it's interesting tho. always heard that "you dream x times a night, you just don't remember" when I've always felt there are some nights with tons of dreams and some nights with barely one. graphs so far seem to more or less back that up.

i don't think the purpose of the app is to tell you when you are dreaming

Yes, I absolutely agree: I think this is all a total blind alley, and I admit it's largely me who led us all up it.

graphs so far seem to more or less back that up

Hmmmm: yeh, but the graphs say so little, really (esp that can be validated) that you can pretty much read whatever you want into them/confirm your own biases and assumptions.

I think one interesting thing with the graph will be when I'm drunk: Mrs F says there are nights I've passed out and been in pretty much exactly the same position when she's eventually kicked me in the head to wake me up. Hey, that's a good excuse to get absolutely loaded: "I want to see what my sleep graph looks like" :)

If anyone's still looking for a radio app, I've just bought TuneIn Radio and it's fantastic.