Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

yes, isn't the hospital planet on new new york on earth?

I think New Earth is actually a completely different planet, right? They let the Earth blow up in The End of the World and then they got all nostalgic and designed a new one. Like Epcot!

I didn't think about how much of a timefuck stealing the Earth right now is, they better put it back so that it survives to get fucked up by the Daleks again in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways.

>>"they're not ordinary bees"
oh I might have missed that, but I thought the point was that they were ordinary bees, but that all ordinary bees were "space" bees?

>>"I didn't think about how much of a timefuck stealing the Earth right now is, they better put it back so that it survives to get fucked up by the Daleks again in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways."

LOL - yes the Daleks have really screwed themselves over there!

Did I upset you there DavidM? I wasn't suggesting that everything should be scientifically accurate (it is science FICTION) just that there should be some attempt to keep within self-defined boundaries, and explain things. Otherwise any drama runs into the problem where "magic" solves everything - deus ex machina.

Also Cribbins is fab! so yah-boo to you!

Silence in the Library not good? Midnight dire? Sontarans a highlight? Sorry Dr.C but you 150% crazy.

Yes, the Doctor says "not all bees are alien, obviously, just some of them," and then something about the Sahara. Not sure what, exactly, since it was all said very fast.

All explanations for anything vaguely complicated or ridiculous are always garbled very fast. I'm sure this is to illustrate the speedy way the doctor's mind works, and not all so you don't have to concentrate on how silly it is if you actually think about it.

Yeah, they very consciously don't want us thinking about the detail. It's a nice way of handling it.

Silence in the Library not good? Midnight dire? Sontarans a highlight? Sorry Dr.C but you 150% crazy

You're probably right. I'm a bit old skool with my Dr. Who - for me SITL and M felt like the writers were trying really hard for something and not quite getting there. Or maybe I just like Daleks better. I'm probably being a bit harsh on SITL - I must watch it again.

My daughter found out last week that the girl in SITL goes to her school!

Your wife is not a Dr. Who fan then?

-- Dr.C, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:27

She is; she's just not quite as insane as I am about it. So anyway, I rewatched it and let my head-spin at some of Caan's "predictions" ("threefold man"?), and then I watched Genesis Of The Daleks to wallow in Davrosity.

My co-worker's latest suggestion: the Seventh Doctor will be making a reappearance

(this is based on a certain Mr Kent-Smith being interviewed on Doctor Who Confidential for no apparent reason, recently. Or so he says.)

i got very worried last night when i saw G Norton show with Tate and James Nesbitt together as guests

(this is based on a certain Mr Kent-Smith being interviewed on Doctor Who Confidential for no apparent reason, recently. Or so he says.)

-- Forest Pines Mk2, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:56 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I noticed that! He was suddenly interviewed for literally no reason. Dead sus.

Pls enlighten as to who Mr Kent-Smith is?

McCoy, Sylvester (born Percy James Patrick Kent-Smith 20 August 1943)

what happens if you transmat a Doctor while he's regenerating?

mccoy was on GMTV this morning too

I would roffle so much if McCoy turned up.

what happens if you transmat a Doctor while he's regenerating?

He separates into loads of tiny particles.

Dalek Caan: "The billion-fold man is coming!"

I'm watching some of these older Eccleston ones on TV and they're so much more serious than these new ones.

Well, given that the beginning of that episode was an enormous "OH FUCK OFF" moment, it redeemed itself incredibly well. Lots to love in there. German Daleks! K9! Doctordonna! Happy ending for Rose! And Davros doing his "look what you do to them" bit was especally fantastic.

Really really really wish he'd taken cribbins with him at the end though.

Also really liked Davros recognising Sarah Jane, Doc+Rose recognising Gwen Cooper, Mickey going home to his gran (or joining Torchwood?), and man, that ending! So harsh to poor old Donna, but rather that than some fluffy farewell.

Yep, dead good that were.

Really really really wish he'd taken cribbins with him at the end though.

He was there, all puppydog eyes and everything. "So, you're all alone then? No one to travel with you? I can keep an eye out for you with the telescope every night, you know, if you want..."

I liked that!

Absolute butt. Except for exterminieren!

There was a lot of good in this episode, but the anticlimax after we were promised regeneration and everlasting fiery death for the most faithful campanion turned it into a bit of a curate's egg I thought.

Hmm, also, that episode was the first where they've directly contradicted the Paul-McGann-is-half-human thing, wasn't it? The doc who went off with Rose wouldn't have been a big deal if alpha-doc was half human all along. Makes sense that they dropped it, but I wonder how it'll be explained as far as the canon is concerned. Perhaps it'll just be written off as a genetic quirk of that particular regeneration.

Lots of hokum re. 'DETONATE THE REALITY BOMB', 'ALL MATTER IN CREATION IS ABOUT TO BE DESTROYED' etc, which I suppose is spoken or written tongue in cheek

A lot of very convenient methods and mechanisms in which one can press a button and destroy every Dalek in the universe - hm

The way Tennant and Tate played each others' personae after merging, or whatever, was quite good, reminiscent of LINDSAY LOHAN in FREAKY FRIDAY

I don't know all those characters that well, but recognized them and could see a magnitude in their all converging, from different programmes / series of their own, I take it, as well as from Dr Who ... I never saw K-9's return before, so was happy to glimpse him here (is he in another programme these days?)

The way they left one Tennant for Piper to hang out with and the first Tennant left - this worked for me, somehow. But won't that hybrid Tennant perish in the same way that the altered Tate did?

I like Bernard Cribbins and am amazed he is still able to act on TV or anything. It was nice, for people like me, to see him get the final scene. And even the final shot of angsty wet Tennant flying off was good.

I am very sceptical about this programme in general, but I did like this.

But won't that hybrid Tennant perish in the same way that the altered Tate did?

I guess timelord conciousness is too BIG for human brane but not vice versa, or something.

And even the final shot of angsty wet Tennant flying off was good

As he was moping around then, I suddenly expected a Time Crash style moment where Sylvester McCoy finally did appear - and then Ecclestone, and McGann, and Baker (C), and then we'd crash-cut away from that to "COMING CHRISTMAS 2008 - THE OTHER FIVE DOCTORS". Shame that didn't happen. :)

Yeah that was another fine dollop of enjoyable hokum, no actual messiah nonsense to get me all riled up. Although I do get a bit tired of the "aren't we humans bleedin' amazin'" theme which seems to run through almost all TV skiffy.

Shtoopid fun, reasonably great, should've killed Donna properly, will miss Dalek James Caan, suppose the stupid gits will still be back in 2010 or something.

it was fun. nice ending. Did wish Cribbins joined as a companion. Love that guy.

> Doc+Rose recognising Gwen Cooper

remind me what this was about.

> K9 (is he in another programme these days?)

he lives in sarah jane smith's cupboard (which is, of course, a portal to somewhere) on CBBC. but he's barely in it save for 30 seconds a season - they don't have the rights to the character.

remind me what this was about.

The Gwen actress was also in the 2006 series of Who, playing the servant who recognised Rose's "Big Bad Wolf" in that Victorian episode with the werewolves. So this just implied Gwen was one of her descendants.

Oh wait, I'm wrong. She was in the Unquiet Dead, 2005. Not the wolfy one.

No you're right, she was the "big bad wolf/metal birds with wings" woman - she was the psychic woman working at the undertaker's in the 1800s Cardiff/Dickens/ghosts episode. Not the werewolf episode, no.

Horrible, horrible episode. Just horrible.

Maybe 10% brilliance, but really, just horrible.

There was literally no point to Davros. He's meant to represent a purpose, a humanity, behind the Daleks. In this one he's all 'wah I want to destroy everything' without a proper reason. The Daleks could have done that all by themselves.

Donna's turn as the Doctor-Donna was delicious. I really, really wanted to see more of that.

Emo Clone Doctor loving Rose in an alternate dimension?!?? Fuck off. Seriously actually please completely go away and fuck off. That was well left alone.

And Bad Wolf STILL not explained properly.

Argh just horrible.

10% sense, but not bothered. it was great!

"In this one he's all 'wah I want to destroy everything' without a proper reason"

you are referred to the bit in genesis where the doXoR proposes a bug that would wipe out all other life forms in the universe leaving just itself, and he goes YEAH that would be ACE.

donna-doctor, like doner kebab but with more zest

-- Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 15:42 (5 days ago) Bookmark Link

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Things that need to happen in order for me to be satisfied:

- Tennant faces off with Davros
- Rose's big gun-toting megareturn pays off in some way far greater than 'omg Doctor at last i has fuond you'
- Donna cheats certain death and/or dies
- Donna somehow gets gramps into the TARDIS and gives him a quick tour of the universe
- A Face of Boe reference is dropped in somewhere
- Bad Wolf is fucking explained properly

-- Autumn Almanac, Monday, 30 June 2008 09:00 (6 days ago) Bookmark Link

1. happened
2. happened
3. happened
4. bzzzt
5. bzzzt
6. BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT

WAIT NO, ONE CORRECTION

- Rose's big gun-toting megareturn pays off in some way far greater than 'omg Doctor at last i has fuond you'

BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT BZZZT. OMG I MEAN THEY ACTUALLY SNOGGED AND EVERYTHING.

ok, studiously avoiding reading this thread. Just got back from the corner shop, now armed with chicken wings, jo-jo's, and about 4 pints of beer. Ep is both downloaded and loaded up.

And here....we...go!

Watched both the last eps in a row today - very excited to see Tennant seemingly go, but then disappointed that he was in fact doubled for extra Rose emo potential.

(I was hoping that Nu-Doctor would be evil and become the new Master while the Doctor regenerated at the end but I guess it wasn't to be. It did look like it would go that way for a minute.)

nu-doctor did a genocide! quite evil. by usual standards of doxor

(baker t couldn't do it. sylvester mccoy did)

Oh yeah, the sudden un-regeneration was unsatisfying because it was unwound SO quickly. At least give us some edge-of-the-seat suspense before undoing the cliffhanger ffs.

why are you people unhappy about the 2nd version of Tennant going off with Piper in the other dimension?

I quite liked that, I think.

'Genocide' seems a red herring, or an inapt word, as the Daleks at that point were all about to go and destroy things / the universe / etc. But I still don't know how he managed suddenly to kill them all (but I get the impression that all the rules in this programme are made up as it goes along).

There was literally no point to Davros. He's meant to represent a purpose, a humanity, behind the Daleks. In this one he's all 'wah I want to destroy everything' without a proper reason.

Ha, Alan's already said what I was going to say to this, but yeah, this is dead wrong, one of the things I really liked about this episode is how true it was to the original spirit of davros!

The Doctor : "Davros, if you had created a virus in your laboratory. Something contagious and infectious that killed on contact. A virus that would destroy all other forms of life... would you allow its use?"

Davros : "It is an interesting conjecture."

The Doctor : "Would you do it?"

Davros : "The only living thing...the microscopic organism... reigning supreme... A fascinating idea."

The Doctor : "But would you do it?"

Davros : "Yes. Yes. To hold in my hand, a capsule that contained such power. To know that life and death on such a scale was my choice. To know that the tiny pressure on my thumb, enough to break the glass, would end everything. Yes. I would do it. That power would set me up above the gods. And through the Daleks I shall have that power!"

Plus, you know, highlighting the stuff about the doctor making people into weapons, and running away from the fact so many of them die for him - there was plenty of "point to davros" there, for my money.

- A Face of Boe reference is dropped in somewhere

5. bzzzt

He was in there! One of the "look who's died for you doctor" flashes.

At least give us some edge-of-the-seat suspense before undoing the cliffhanger ffs.

WE HAD A WHOLE WEEK OF THAT! ffs.