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I'd have thought it more likely to be a Richard Reid-style blunder.

((It is on the tube map and goes underground = IT IS A TUBE!!!))

Grrrr! ;-)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 21 July 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

detonators 'go off' without triggering bombs. i think this is what happens at the end of 'the peacemaker'.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 21 July 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Nicole Kidman to thread.

― Huey (Huey), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

WHat the saying fuck but, the Hammersmith & City line being a tube (which it is) or these attacks two weeks on which may be meant to scare (scare being a few notches down from terror I suppose).

Yes, that is waht happens at the end of the peacemaker, just before one goes to the box office and politely requests your money back.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

First as tragedy, then as farce.

What a load of cock.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

London Underground Shuts Down In Code Amber alert

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

I'd have thought it more likely to be a Richard Reid-style blunder.
i wish the detonators had been in their shoes and blown their toes off.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

it must be pretty damn incompetent if they messed it up in all 4 occasions.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

OK, someone give me a clue as to the best way to get from Finsbury Park to Victoria without using the Victoria or Picadilly lines.

I take it that this isn't at the "stay where you are" level or severity yet...

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

i guess it only takes one person to badly make four bombs, thank god.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

Eve. Standard:

Witnesses at Shepherd's Bush said a man of Asian appearance was carrying a rucksack which exploded. The man jumped out of the southbound train and staggered along the tracks, they said.

Stephen Requa, a 60-year-old writer was waiting at Shepherd's Bush station when he saw the man staggering along the tracks northbound before the station was evacuated.

"I saw this guy jump down on the tracks and he was injured. He was staggering north along the tracks. He had been injured by the bomb."

"People who had been on the carriage with him said some Asian guy had been on the train with a backpack and it blew up. It knocked him down."

"I though he was drunk because he was just staggering along the tracks. They closed the station immediately."

― Alex M (Alex M), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

19 bus then change to 38 bus at islington - piccadilly stretch. This route avoids the cureent incident zones which will probably have diversions.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

I would give as much credence to the "dummy explosions" as I would to the "power surge".

― Venga (Venga), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

The impression I get is that there are no bombs, just detonators.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

colonel, moblie networks seem to be totally fucked at the moment so try not to panic about your wife. no one in the office here can use their mobiles currently.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

i blame dom joly

my boss just said: this is a diversion to get everyone running round in one area of london, for a later incident

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

it must be pretty damn incompetent if they messed it up in all 4 occasions.

Or maybe the bombs were all put together by one cack-hander. Xpost.

OK, someone give me a clue as to the best way to get from Finsbury Park to Victoria without using the Victoria or Picadilly lines.

District to Monument, Northern (if that bit of it's running) to Moorgate, main line service to Finsbury Park.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

The bus on camera has all windows intact and no debris on the road beside it.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Aye, thanks Pete.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

am fearing this is a diversion
get all emergency services somewhere then do something somewhere else
cf security experts @ g8

― emsk, Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

OK, someone give me a clue as to the best way to get from Finsbury Park to Victoria without using the Victoria or Picadilly lines.
I take it that this isn't at the "stay where you are" level or severity yet...

-- James Mitchell (jame...), July 21st, 2005 1:01 PM. (James Mitchell) (later)

how about bus? 29 or 253 to camden and then 24 to victoria?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

It can't be four independent cockups - it's coordinated to mirror the attacks of two weeks ago, but the person who built the bombs fucked up, or made them not work deliberately. The four would-be bombers must be both furious and terrified right now.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

OK I've got hold of my wife now, she's going to try and get the bus home to Muswell Hill instead of coming back to work. She said there's a lot of ambulances with sirens blaring.

Am hoping this is it and not a warm-up...

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

furious and terrified? good.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

The four would-be bombers must be both furious and terrified right now.

Yeah, which is what makes so little sense. Is there such a glut of people willing to blow themselves up that four can be wasted?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

Hopefully they won't have to evacuate Lords.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

4 cock ups does seem a bit unlikely - but there are enough emergency service resources to deal with major incidents at more than one site surely, so what would be the point of diversionary tactics?

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

they are, once again, playing fucking cricket...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Could be one inept bombmaker, or a bombmaker supplied with wrong material...

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Presumably you have to have a good supply of people willing to blow themselves up for any suicide bombing campaign to work, so losing a few to prison on the way isn't exactly important. The people it's more important to lock up are the ones who send other people off to kill themselves.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

4th? sky only reporting 3. did i miss something?

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

so all the 'bombers' got away on foot? fuxache.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

ah, ok, hackney bus isn't on the sky map

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

did i miss something?

3 trains and one bus again.

(xpost)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

It's not just a case of losing them to prison, it's sending them out without the right equipment then cutting them off - not good for keeping your secrets, so highly undesirable.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Well, I hope they get all the would-be's and interrogorise the bastards good and proper.

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

is it wrong to hope that the guys carrying this out were forced to confront people they just tried to kill in the cold light of day?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Warren Street train was eastbound between Ox Circus & Warren Street, but got to station and was evacuated there.

Problem with 29/24 is it goes past UCH which may be blocked off due to Warren Street.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Martin and Ken I reckon you're right. Koogs - 3 tube plus 1 bus xpost

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

on a rack. xxpost

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Four, five, maybe six buses (I can't see round corners), including three 38s, parked up outside our office at the High Holborn/New Oxford Street fork having made their passengers disembark. No traffic near TCR, I guess.

Was this some elaborate sting operation? Probably not.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Armed police have entered a hospital near warren st I think. according to sky

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Ooh that could be good news

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

this just sounds weird. an odd time of day, too, surely? or maybe that's the point.

incidentally what exactly is a detonator? excuse my ignorance...

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm with Ronan, and I hope any who get away go after the people who sent them on the fucked-up mission.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

was saying in pub only tuesday night that there's no reason it couldn't happen on a weekly basis if they had enough volunteers. (or enough decent explosive, it turns out. but remember all the extra explosive found in luton car...)

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's one thing to send people off on suicide missions. They only have to stay focussed ofr a couple of hours. Sending them off to be captured (with or without their knowledge - this could just be a terror top-up) is a different matter. I am now leaning towards actual bombs, incompetently made.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

ok, now i'm imagining a cartoon-singed would-be-bomber walking into a hospital and going "i uh, fell down some stairs..."

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Rumour (and Reuters) has it that Mr Backpack has been tracked down to University College Hospital, which has been surrounded by heavily-armed bizzies.

― Alex M (Alex M), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

Detonator (simple-minded version) is an easily-triggered explosion not big enough to do much damage, but big enough to kick off the major explosives.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 21 July 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

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