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That Carol Clerk Hawkwind biography from a few years ago is well worth reading, btw, though it's more than a bit grim w/r/t the nineties-date. A bunch of lives you would not want to live yrself or have anyone you cared about live them either.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

What was that 70s Hawkwind book? I read that once

― Tom D., Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

What, the science fiction novel by michael butterworth? I had that, and the follow up - "time of the hawklords" and "queens of deliria" I think? They were both really terrible, bad pulp fiction.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

All you cheese loving cooler residents should just go live in a commune and make cheese and listen to Hawkwind.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

The first one, I went round various gigs getting members to sign it - I got Nik Turner, Bob Calvert, Dave Brock, Butterworth Himself, then I presented it to Lemmy "I'm not signing that, it's fucking shit!" - here endeth that plan.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

No no, I think was "This is Hawkwind: Do Not Panic", which appears to have been publish in 1984

― Tom D., Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Suggestion for next poll.
Can we have a census on the age of all watercooler posters?
18-24
25-30
35-40
40-45
Coffindodger

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

um there should be a 31-35 in there haha

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I had that as well, it was written by Dave Brock's gf Kris, who's from Shields IIRC - she was always nice to the hangers on after HW gigs. It was quite entertaining, I lent it out to a few people, and after a while, if you put it on a table or whatever, it would fall open on the page with the photo of stacia on it. I lost my copy years ago.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

All you cheese loving cooler residents should just go live in a commune and make cheese and listen to Hawkwind.

This is the bestest idea EVAH!!!

Actually, that's an idea, to read a bio - I don't actually know that much about them as people at ALL. And virtually nothing beyond the sort of "classic"era.

But it's kind of nice to keep this image in my mind of free love free drugs free noise space hippies riding this wave of sonic terror through the cosmos and not learn thee ugly truth about them getting drug addictions and a fighting all the time and bands splintering and them all sueing each other over the name and the publishing and all those other horrible things that bands end up doing to one another. (I do not actually know if any of these things happened to Hawkwind in specific, I've just read too many rock bios.)

Can it spoil your appreciation of music to learn too much about the people that made it? I'm thinking of that Nico bio, how sad it was.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

SORRY HAWKWIND AREN'T SIGNED TO A DOOM LABEL & DON'T RELEASE THEIR RECORDS IN LIMITED EDITIONS OF 227 ON CLEAR VINYL W/PURPLE STREAKS IN LEATHUR-EMBOSSED COVERS, KERR!!!11

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Or, you know, something like that (gestures vaguely)... ;)

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Shimura Curves would get Benjamin Curtis to dance naked at their gigs if they could afford it.

Infact they probably just wouldn't bother playing the gig and just make him dance in ~~Kate's dungeon of wibbling lust~~ the dressing room

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Norman> I like Hawkwind!!!! It's just cheese I hate.

*puts on Space Ritual*

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Discussion of Hawkwind will ALWAYS be allowed on ver Cooler, you cheese-hating surrender monkey, Kerr!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Why do Norman & Kate think i want discussion of Hawkwind banned?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

We were going to have F's boyfriend J dance in a loincloth at a gig sometime, actually... but I think he was drunk when he agreed to it! Hah!

Pash, if I were going to read one Hawkwind bio, which should I get?

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Mitya just posted on [Removed Illegal Link] that ILX doesn't work for him anymore. So everyone go msg him on his last fm page. I think he's missing everyone.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

The Carol Clerk one, def. But, it is depressing. It doesn't sound like there was much fun to be had as a member of HW since, like, 1976. From the '80's onwards, it just sounds like an ordeal of unrelenting grimness.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.last.fm/user/trailofgybe/ that should say

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

... And Turner & Brock's ongoing endless feud is just pathetic. 2 bald men fighting over a comb territory. Both nice guys when I met them, though.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

What was the genesis of the feud? (Or should I just not ask?)

That said, when you're in a band with someone, and you start to not get on, the rivalry can reach such epic proportions that it's just not important what it started over, it just reaches a *thing* of its own. I don't think I've ever permanently been in that kind of a state with a former musical partner, but come pretty close.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Never argued over a hairbrush?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, like anybody in Hawkwind ever used a hairbrush

― Tom D., Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

How perfect is Space Ritual? why can't their studio albums live up to that!!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

I have argued over a hairbrush, actually. But it wasn't about the hairbrush, per se, as much as the whole rivalry for years and years and all "argh, you nicked my hairbrush AGAIN, you are always stealing EVERYTHING OF MINE, all my songs, all my hard work, just like you NICKED MY BOYFRIEND WHEN I WAS 17!!! ARGH!!!! I HATE YOU!!!"

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's basically over control, money & exploitation of the band's back catalog & live recordings. The stupid thing is they could all make money of archive HW recordings if they did them properly a la King Crimson collector's club, but as often as not some dodgy label puts stuff out, they get the money, and the people who played on the record (incl Brock and Turner) get shit.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm driving the slow way back, along the coast rd. Stopped for a breather in the sand dunes. Lovely

― Ed, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Space Ritual is great, but the Watchfield & Stonehenge festival live tapes from '75/'76 are just.... beyond....man, they're awesome.

― Pashmina, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

They should really sort it out and put out a proper series of releases. I'd even get a Hawkwind passport if it let me collect them all.

This makes me want to listen to Space Ritual and I've no idea what happened to my copy, I think it was actually on cassette so lord knows where it went.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry - almost didn't see you in there! Hi Ed! Jealous of you in the sand dunes there. When come back bring CHEESE!!!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

So what about Turkish dirty dronerock boys from 1971 or so?

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dri200/i258/i25892krq3l.jpg

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

What on earth?

Great cover, though. It's just everything that's great about that era in music.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

I have a feeling you would like a lot of the music itself too.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Hi 'Cooler. Everyone alright?

I'm off to Hackney to look at two more studios. At least one of them has to be good, right?

― G00blar, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Your studio will find you, Gooblar. I know it.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I've been listening to the Slipstream now, and I'm sorry, it's just kinda boring. It's not even that it's "poppy" - it's just kind of generic sounding and not really there for me.

Weird, I thought the two albums would sound the other way around.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

This makes me want to listen to Space Ritual and I've no idea what happened to my copy, I think it was actually on cassette so lord knows where it went.

Not that you're dropping any hints or anything...

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not actually - I'm going to buy the fucker again.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

It might be on the way anyway

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Re that HMV thread on ILM, where do you all buy your cd's/vinyl/Tapes/78's these days?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

HMV, mostly! Hah!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

No local indie shops then? or do you just hate them?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

And pick up Warrior on the Edge of Time while I'm at it. Which I still don't have.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

We've had this discussion before - my nearest indie shop is Rough Trade and it's just too bloody hard to find anything in there, it's so sectioned out by increasingly complex genres. I don't want to have to look through Psychedelic, 70s, Prog, and Spacerock to find Hawkwind - I just wanna go to the H section.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Did I tell you I got "Space Ritual Vol 2 - Sundown", or whatever you call it, in a car boot sale for £2?

― Tom D., Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

no indie record stores south of the river???? whaaat?

actually none in Oxford now that Vinyl Frontier and Polar Bear have both closed. the record store is, it seems, brown bread.

― Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

There are no record shops in Streatham, fullstop. This is probably a good thing. If I want to buy CDs, I have to make a trip from work. Closest are the HMV in Covent Garden and Rough Trade.

I suppose I could walk over to Soho during a lunchtime, but generally I can't be bothered.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

So that's why people always slag off Rough Trade. My friend wouldn't go in there when he lived in Essex. It scared him too much.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

There (used to be?) a really good second-hand LP shop, in a 'square' where the fire-station cafe is. It was a downstairsie, if I remember correctly, and I do.

― Mark G, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

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