Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

He did say in his episode commentary for Forest of the Dead that his 'no killing' policy would end once he takes overall charge.

Oh good.

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They all Lez Up

Ok, great cliffhanger but didn't anyone else think the rest of it was just a big load of awful nonsense? I mean, I really tried to suspend my disbelief but there's only so far you can go when the cast spend most of their time trying to phone someone in outer space. It just doesn't work. Also - bees flying in space WTF? Who's going to believe that? He may as well have said that pigs are flying into space and not bothered to explain it! even if they could live in space and fly without air they would take for ever to even leave the solar system!

I am also finding it really hard to relate to the "earth" that RTD has created since he's had it invaded so many times on an unnecessarily grand scale that it's no longer the planet which we live on. Clearly if we imagine that earth was repeatedly invaded the earth would be a completely different world!
Also why has Davros suddenly got a body? last Time I saw him he was just a head! And If he has somehow genetically engineered himself a new body then why has he still only got one arm and no legs? He must be the rubbishest genetic engineer ever.
Rant over.

on the plus side - Cribbins should replace the doctor!

I figured the Bees thing was a nod to Einstein.

"everything username said"

^dickhead.

omg cribbins as the doctor would be incredible

Catherine Tate was just on the Graham Norton show and revealed that she didn't realize it that actors were inside the Sontaran costumes. So when one of them pulled off his mask and stepped out of his suit she shrieked. "I thought they were doin it," she said, "with electricity."

He may as well have said that pigs are flying into space and not bothered to explain it!

or dolphins hmm

"they're not ordinary bees"

Has this series been to any version of Earth between now and its eventual destruction? Suddenly strikes me as a bit of a copout that they haven't.

By 'this series' I mean everything since 2005.

yes, isn't the hospital planet on new new york on earth?

I think New Earth is actually a completely different planet, right? They let the Earth blow up in The End of the World and then they got all nostalgic and designed a new one. Like Epcot!

I didn't think about how much of a timefuck stealing the Earth right now is, they better put it back so that it survives to get fucked up by the Daleks again in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways.

>>"they're not ordinary bees"
oh I might have missed that, but I thought the point was that they were ordinary bees, but that all ordinary bees were "space" bees?

>>"I didn't think about how much of a timefuck stealing the Earth right now is, they better put it back so that it survives to get fucked up by the Daleks again in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways."

LOL - yes the Daleks have really screwed themselves over there!

Did I upset you there DavidM? I wasn't suggesting that everything should be scientifically accurate (it is science FICTION) just that there should be some attempt to keep within self-defined boundaries, and explain things. Otherwise any drama runs into the problem where "magic" solves everything - deus ex machina.

Also Cribbins is fab! so yah-boo to you!

Silence in the Library not good? Midnight dire? Sontarans a highlight? Sorry Dr.C but you 150% crazy.

Yes, the Doctor says "not all bees are alien, obviously, just some of them," and then something about the Sahara. Not sure what, exactly, since it was all said very fast.

All explanations for anything vaguely complicated or ridiculous are always garbled very fast. I'm sure this is to illustrate the speedy way the doctor's mind works, and not all so you don't have to concentrate on how silly it is if you actually think about it.

Yeah, they very consciously don't want us thinking about the detail. It's a nice way of handling it.

Silence in the Library not good? Midnight dire? Sontarans a highlight? Sorry Dr.C but you 150% crazy

You're probably right. I'm a bit old skool with my Dr. Who - for me SITL and M felt like the writers were trying really hard for something and not quite getting there. Or maybe I just like Daleks better. I'm probably being a bit harsh on SITL - I must watch it again.

My daughter found out last week that the girl in SITL goes to her school!

Your wife is not a Dr. Who fan then?

-- Dr.C, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:27

She is; she's just not quite as insane as I am about it. So anyway, I rewatched it and let my head-spin at some of Caan's "predictions" ("threefold man"?), and then I watched Genesis Of The Daleks to wallow in Davrosity.

My co-worker's latest suggestion: the Seventh Doctor will be making a reappearance

(this is based on a certain Mr Kent-Smith being interviewed on Doctor Who Confidential for no apparent reason, recently. Or so he says.)

i got very worried last night when i saw G Norton show with Tate and James Nesbitt together as guests

(this is based on a certain Mr Kent-Smith being interviewed on Doctor Who Confidential for no apparent reason, recently. Or so he says.)

-- Forest Pines Mk2, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:56 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I noticed that! He was suddenly interviewed for literally no reason. Dead sus.

Pls enlighten as to who Mr Kent-Smith is?

McCoy, Sylvester (born Percy James Patrick Kent-Smith 20 August 1943)

what happens if you transmat a Doctor while he's regenerating?

mccoy was on GMTV this morning too

I would roffle so much if McCoy turned up.

what happens if you transmat a Doctor while he's regenerating?

He separates into loads of tiny particles.

Dalek Caan: "The billion-fold man is coming!"

I'm watching some of these older Eccleston ones on TV and they're so much more serious than these new ones.

Well, given that the beginning of that episode was an enormous "OH FUCK OFF" moment, it redeemed itself incredibly well. Lots to love in there. German Daleks! K9! Doctordonna! Happy ending for Rose! And Davros doing his "look what you do to them" bit was especally fantastic.

Really really really wish he'd taken cribbins with him at the end though.

Also really liked Davros recognising Sarah Jane, Doc+Rose recognising Gwen Cooper, Mickey going home to his gran (or joining Torchwood?), and man, that ending! So harsh to poor old Donna, but rather that than some fluffy farewell.

Yep, dead good that were.

Really really really wish he'd taken cribbins with him at the end though.

He was there, all puppydog eyes and everything. "So, you're all alone then? No one to travel with you? I can keep an eye out for you with the telescope every night, you know, if you want..."

I liked that!

Absolute butt. Except for exterminieren!

There was a lot of good in this episode, but the anticlimax after we were promised regeneration and everlasting fiery death for the most faithful campanion turned it into a bit of a curate's egg I thought.

Hmm, also, that episode was the first where they've directly contradicted the Paul-McGann-is-half-human thing, wasn't it? The doc who went off with Rose wouldn't have been a big deal if alpha-doc was half human all along. Makes sense that they dropped it, but I wonder how it'll be explained as far as the canon is concerned. Perhaps it'll just be written off as a genetic quirk of that particular regeneration.

Lots of hokum re. 'DETONATE THE REALITY BOMB', 'ALL MATTER IN CREATION IS ABOUT TO BE DESTROYED' etc, which I suppose is spoken or written tongue in cheek

A lot of very convenient methods and mechanisms in which one can press a button and destroy every Dalek in the universe - hm

The way Tennant and Tate played each others' personae after merging, or whatever, was quite good, reminiscent of LINDSAY LOHAN in FREAKY FRIDAY

I don't know all those characters that well, but recognized them and could see a magnitude in their all converging, from different programmes / series of their own, I take it, as well as from Dr Who ... I never saw K-9's return before, so was happy to glimpse him here (is he in another programme these days?)

The way they left one Tennant for Piper to hang out with and the first Tennant left - this worked for me, somehow. But won't that hybrid Tennant perish in the same way that the altered Tate did?

I like Bernard Cribbins and am amazed he is still able to act on TV or anything. It was nice, for people like me, to see him get the final scene. And even the final shot of angsty wet Tennant flying off was good.

I am very sceptical about this programme in general, but I did like this.

But won't that hybrid Tennant perish in the same way that the altered Tate did?

I guess timelord conciousness is too BIG for human brane but not vice versa, or something.

And even the final shot of angsty wet Tennant flying off was good

As he was moping around then, I suddenly expected a Time Crash style moment where Sylvester McCoy finally did appear - and then Ecclestone, and McGann, and Baker (C), and then we'd crash-cut away from that to "COMING CHRISTMAS 2008 - THE OTHER FIVE DOCTORS". Shame that didn't happen. :)

Yeah that was another fine dollop of enjoyable hokum, no actual messiah nonsense to get me all riled up. Although I do get a bit tired of the "aren't we humans bleedin' amazin'" theme which seems to run through almost all TV skiffy.

Shtoopid fun, reasonably great, should've killed Donna properly, will miss Dalek James Caan, suppose the stupid gits will still be back in 2010 or something.

it was fun. nice ending. Did wish Cribbins joined as a companion. Love that guy.

> Doc+Rose recognising Gwen Cooper

remind me what this was about.

> K9 (is he in another programme these days?)

he lives in sarah jane smith's cupboard (which is, of course, a portal to somewhere) on CBBC. but he's barely in it save for 30 seconds a season - they don't have the rights to the character.

remind me what this was about.

The Gwen actress was also in the 2006 series of Who, playing the servant who recognised Rose's "Big Bad Wolf" in that Victorian episode with the werewolves. So this just implied Gwen was one of her descendants.

Oh wait, I'm wrong. She was in the Unquiet Dead, 2005. Not the wolfy one.

No you're right, she was the "big bad wolf/metal birds with wings" woman - she was the psychic woman working at the undertaker's in the 1800s Cardiff/Dickens/ghosts episode. Not the werewolf episode, no.

Horrible, horrible episode. Just horrible.

Maybe 10% brilliance, but really, just horrible.

There was literally no point to Davros. He's meant to represent a purpose, a humanity, behind the Daleks. In this one he's all 'wah I want to destroy everything' without a proper reason. The Daleks could have done that all by themselves.

Donna's turn as the Doctor-Donna was delicious. I really, really wanted to see more of that.

Emo Clone Doctor loving Rose in an alternate dimension?!?? Fuck off. Seriously actually please completely go away and fuck off. That was well left alone.

And Bad Wolf STILL not explained properly.

Argh just horrible.