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― chartres (goole), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
They should skip Robin and go straight to Nightwing
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:16 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
is this a joke or
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
It's serious. Change the Nightwing character to be a competing vigilante rather than a former protogee and put the two of them in conflict; alternately, if Batman already has a competing anti-hero in the comics, use that character instead (not familiar enough with the Batman rogue's gallery to know if there's someone who fits that bill aside from Catwoman and I am kind of DO NOT WANT re: more sexual bat-tension).
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
i think both of the nolan batman flicks have dope, for the most part, occasional ridiculousness aside. i've liked all the villains so far and i like this presentation of gotham more than the burton ones, but then again i'm not really a big burton fan either.
― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i'd rather see a lovely lady prancing around the rooftops than other grim-faced bro
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
xp
("than another")
The opening heist is really well-choreographed and filmed, it really can stand alone outside of the movie
― mh, Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:51 AM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, i've actually re-watched the opening heist a few times, just cuz
― everybody's into weirdness right now (gbx), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
ugh I appear to be suggesting they use red Hood, which um no vigilantes named after the clitoris in my movies, plz
xp: I agree on a base level re: "moar lovely ladies plz" but I don't think the story is as interesting, mostly because we've already seen Burton's version of it in "Batman Returns" (also IMO Burton's best film).
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
alternately, if Batman already has a competing anti-hero in the comics, use that character instead (not familiar enough with the Batman rogue's gallery to know if there's someone who fits that bill aside from Catwoman and I am kind of DO NOT WANT re: more sexual bat-tension)
Ben Foster is....ANARKY!!!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
actually Anarky might be interesting
xp: lol I swear I just looked this dude up and read about him
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
The Burton films have unbelievable art direction but kind've rubbish stories. The first one barely has a plot at all; Batman and The Joker have a few fights, that's it.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link
an anarky-based plot would allow them to acknowledge a lot of minor entries in the rogue's gallery, something i wish more superhero films would do in a montage or something. have him trying to bump off a stream of flamboyant crimebosses and thugs who took on goofy identities after the joker's cultural moment (ventriloquist, maxie zeus, mad hatter, etc).
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd love to see Anarky in the next Batman movie, but he's probaby considered too corny for Nolan's "dark" Batman.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
That makes absolutely no sense.
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
Too obscure maybe, but they used THE SCARECROW in the first movie.
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
the bat man
― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, and Ras Al-Ghul, who is also not at the top of the name-recognition pile
― shake hands with Gongo? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd prefer Nolan invent a new villain. The rest of the comic's villains all seem to pale next to the Joker.
Also, Nolan hates Robin.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Thank god. I just don't see how Robin could work well in this universe.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
There's the Dark Knight take, where Robin is a kid emulating Batman who gets taken in as a ward/trainee after saving his ass (but yeah DO NOT WANT Robin).
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
a shuddering junkie who is taken in by bruce wayne
― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Thats the thing though, Nolan has created this hugely insular, me against the world Batman and Bruce Wayne that I just can't see him taking anybody in.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
the whole spidey 4 farrago shows that studios will interfere even with a winning team. wouldn't rule anything out.
― free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Robin could work as a stalker who Batman never acknowledges or supports, maybe?
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Like the Michael Reagan of Gotham City.
― ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
WB isn't Fox though - they seem pretty content to leave Nolan and and his concepts be. (see also: the $200-million Inception)
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Seems more-and-more likely to me that this franchise has hit the end of the road (in terms of ideas to explore and fresh, new reasons to continue). Joker v. Batman is always the highpoint of the series, to me, and downhill after that.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know that telling a good Batman vs Joker stories automatically means there are no more worthwhile Batman stories to tell.
― living like the Na'vi will never happen (HI DERE), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link
GIVE UP DAN ITS OVER.
― Who Makes the Na'vis? (s1ocki), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Haha. Yes. I HAVE DECREED IT.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Trust me, I have no such delusions about my own significance or authority.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Really would like to see Miley Cyrus do a post-Ledger Harley Quinn.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Me too, if her character is violently beaten while she's singing.
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
just a friendly film-related reminder:
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― A™ machine (sic) (omar little), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
The only thing overrated in that film is Ledger!!
― Radio Birdman Rally (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 13:01 (7 hours ago) Permalink
oh come on.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, there's many other overrated things in it besides him.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 21:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I hear it's too serious
― The reverse TARDIS of pasta (Niles Caulder), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
why
― everybody's into weirdness right now (gbx), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Was that at my post? I wasn't serious
― The reverse TARDIS of pasta (Niles Caulder), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
#bieber4robin
― da croupier, Thursday, 3 June 2010 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I finally saw this and really don't understand the plaudits for Ledger as the Joker. He obviously studied up on nature documentaries about the habits of lizards, OK, that's good - a lot of actors use animals as a starting point. But Jesus McGillicutty, it's like there's some unwritten iron law that villains must be a schizophrenic mixture of excitably comic and snarlingly vicious. cf Moriarty in the latest Sherlock series on the BBC. Ooh he's unpredictable! One minute he's laughing, the next minute he's shouting! Whatever will we do! Please, please please actors and directors of the world, can we please have a villain who is simply a genius at crime with an actual personality instead of a collection of psychopathic tics? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/palpatine.jpg
― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
to be fair tracer...he does call himself the joker and look like a clown, i think it's reasonable to assume he's not a dignified genius crime boss/moneyman, if he was it'd be Heat, not Batman.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
No that's fine, I just thought it was twitchy madman by the numbers. FIND DIFFERENT MANNERISMS PLEASE.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, fair points but, uh, HE'S THE FUCKING JOKER.
http://www.lambiek.net/artists/a/aparo_jim/aparo_jim.jpg
― Shock and Awe High School (Phil D.), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link
If that were Ledger's Joker whacking Robin with a crowbar he'd have to work in about thirty micro-scowls and five twitchy lip-licks in between each blow and after he was finished go "hmmmmmm!" like a school marm. Which is crazy, because school marms don't kill people! IT IS CRAZY!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
http://teachmix.com/dayblend/sites/default/files/gollum.jpg
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link
so you are criticizing Ledger for playing the Joker like the Joker...?
― Squirrel! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the fact that his completely unpredictable has been a defining trait for The Joker since day one, can't really blame Ledger for running with that. The movie makers must like the weirdo Batman villains, most Batman movies have featured them instead of the more rational crime geniuses. The weirdos just tend to be more memorable, I guess - how many people remember Batman Begins for Liam Neeson's or Tom Wikinson's performances?
The bigger problem is that DK doesn't find a good angle to the Batman/Joker conflict. Traditionally, Batman has been depicted as a highly intelligent, rational superdetective who can predict any outcome - and that's why The Joker is such a good nemesis for him, as he's totally unpredictable. Another way of contrasting Batman and Joker is the idea (first presented in The Killing Joke) that they're not so different, that they're both mad in their own way, that they both had "one bad day" which changed them into what they are. But DK doesn't really try either of this approaches, The Joker isn't really contrasted with Batman, he pretty much stands alone and Batman is left in his shadow.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link