Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

Wait, got it...Judeen, yes?

The rhino aliens are Judoon, I believe. I quite liked them just standing around in the background.

Oh yes Judoon, ta.

I like those little growls they make from time to time.

I like their language. Rol gol fol bol hol jol (out).

trying to achieve too much

this is my new explanation for when i am confusing

I'm a big fan of the 'throw lots of wacky shit at the wall and see what sticks' school of sci-fi,thus loved SITL/FOTD.

not only that but they conveyed character emotion better than yer average Who - that's part of Moffat's #1 strength

great great bit of meta gaggery with the "what just happened" "you just made a cup of tea" "no no i said let's have a cup of tea and we were sitting here drinking tea" bit

ending smth of a lame repeat of eccleston's NOBODY DIED TODAY bit in s1 tho, maybe — which episode was problably the point i felt most involved in the whole thing, so hm

nobody died, just got trapped in a matrix to spend all eternity with the same five people. worse than dying, surely?

Moffatt says he has a policy of never killing characters for good except by natural causes,which is my one concern for his stewardship - people have always died in Doctor Who!

he's gotta be taking the piss there surely, unless he means only major characters and not UNIT noobs etc.

Suddenly imagining him like the swimming pool bloke in The Day Today.

The only person who has died and not been sent back in time/brought back to life/resurrected in a computer world in one his stories so far is Mme de Pompodour (spl?), and she died of old age.

Took me a minute to get who you meant Matt, then I chuckled.

He did say in his episode commentary for Forest of the Dead that his 'no killing' policy would end once he takes overall charge.

Oh good.

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They all Lez Up

Ok, great cliffhanger but didn't anyone else think the rest of it was just a big load of awful nonsense? I mean, I really tried to suspend my disbelief but there's only so far you can go when the cast spend most of their time trying to phone someone in outer space. It just doesn't work. Also - bees flying in space WTF? Who's going to believe that? He may as well have said that pigs are flying into space and not bothered to explain it! even if they could live in space and fly without air they would take for ever to even leave the solar system!

I am also finding it really hard to relate to the "earth" that RTD has created since he's had it invaded so many times on an unnecessarily grand scale that it's no longer the planet which we live on. Clearly if we imagine that earth was repeatedly invaded the earth would be a completely different world!
Also why has Davros suddenly got a body? last Time I saw him he was just a head! And If he has somehow genetically engineered himself a new body then why has he still only got one arm and no legs? He must be the rubbishest genetic engineer ever.
Rant over.

on the plus side - Cribbins should replace the doctor!

I figured the Bees thing was a nod to Einstein.

"everything username said"

^dickhead.

omg cribbins as the doctor would be incredible

Catherine Tate was just on the Graham Norton show and revealed that she didn't realize it that actors were inside the Sontaran costumes. So when one of them pulled off his mask and stepped out of his suit she shrieked. "I thought they were doin it," she said, "with electricity."

He may as well have said that pigs are flying into space and not bothered to explain it!

or dolphins hmm

"they're not ordinary bees"

Has this series been to any version of Earth between now and its eventual destruction? Suddenly strikes me as a bit of a copout that they haven't.

By 'this series' I mean everything since 2005.

yes, isn't the hospital planet on new new york on earth?

I think New Earth is actually a completely different planet, right? They let the Earth blow up in The End of the World and then they got all nostalgic and designed a new one. Like Epcot!

I didn't think about how much of a timefuck stealing the Earth right now is, they better put it back so that it survives to get fucked up by the Daleks again in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways.

>>"they're not ordinary bees"
oh I might have missed that, but I thought the point was that they were ordinary bees, but that all ordinary bees were "space" bees?

>>"I didn't think about how much of a timefuck stealing the Earth right now is, they better put it back so that it survives to get fucked up by the Daleks again in Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways."

LOL - yes the Daleks have really screwed themselves over there!

Did I upset you there DavidM? I wasn't suggesting that everything should be scientifically accurate (it is science FICTION) just that there should be some attempt to keep within self-defined boundaries, and explain things. Otherwise any drama runs into the problem where "magic" solves everything - deus ex machina.

Also Cribbins is fab! so yah-boo to you!

Silence in the Library not good? Midnight dire? Sontarans a highlight? Sorry Dr.C but you 150% crazy.

Yes, the Doctor says "not all bees are alien, obviously, just some of them," and then something about the Sahara. Not sure what, exactly, since it was all said very fast.

All explanations for anything vaguely complicated or ridiculous are always garbled very fast. I'm sure this is to illustrate the speedy way the doctor's mind works, and not all so you don't have to concentrate on how silly it is if you actually think about it.

Yeah, they very consciously don't want us thinking about the detail. It's a nice way of handling it.

Silence in the Library not good? Midnight dire? Sontarans a highlight? Sorry Dr.C but you 150% crazy

You're probably right. I'm a bit old skool with my Dr. Who - for me SITL and M felt like the writers were trying really hard for something and not quite getting there. Or maybe I just like Daleks better. I'm probably being a bit harsh on SITL - I must watch it again.

My daughter found out last week that the girl in SITL goes to her school!

Your wife is not a Dr. Who fan then?

-- Dr.C, Thursday, 3 July 2008 12:27

She is; she's just not quite as insane as I am about it. So anyway, I rewatched it and let my head-spin at some of Caan's "predictions" ("threefold man"?), and then I watched Genesis Of The Daleks to wallow in Davrosity.

My co-worker's latest suggestion: the Seventh Doctor will be making a reappearance

(this is based on a certain Mr Kent-Smith being interviewed on Doctor Who Confidential for no apparent reason, recently. Or so he says.)

i got very worried last night when i saw G Norton show with Tate and James Nesbitt together as guests

(this is based on a certain Mr Kent-Smith being interviewed on Doctor Who Confidential for no apparent reason, recently. Or so he says.)

-- Forest Pines Mk2, Friday, 4 July 2008 20:56 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I noticed that! He was suddenly interviewed for literally no reason. Dead sus.

Pls enlighten as to who Mr Kent-Smith is?

McCoy, Sylvester (born Percy James Patrick Kent-Smith 20 August 1943)

what happens if you transmat a Doctor while he's regenerating?

mccoy was on GMTV this morning too

I would roffle so much if McCoy turned up.

what happens if you transmat a Doctor while he's regenerating?

He separates into loads of tiny particles.

Dalek Caan: "The billion-fold man is coming!"

I'm watching some of these older Eccleston ones on TV and they're so much more serious than these new ones.

Well, given that the beginning of that episode was an enormous "OH FUCK OFF" moment, it redeemed itself incredibly well. Lots to love in there. German Daleks! K9! Doctordonna! Happy ending for Rose! And Davros doing his "look what you do to them" bit was especally fantastic.

Really really really wish he'd taken cribbins with him at the end though.

Also really liked Davros recognising Sarah Jane, Doc+Rose recognising Gwen Cooper, Mickey going home to his gran (or joining Torchwood?), and man, that ending! So harsh to poor old Donna, but rather that than some fluffy farewell.

Yep, dead good that were.

Really really really wish he'd taken cribbins with him at the end though.

He was there, all puppydog eyes and everything. "So, you're all alone then? No one to travel with you? I can keep an eye out for you with the telescope every night, you know, if you want..."

I liked that!

Absolute butt. Except for exterminieren!