another maniacal Armond White review, this time "Fahrenheit 9/11"

i mean i really liked wind shakes but i cant say i loved it. maybe i just cant fully commit to any kind of art that has no sense of humour whatsoever.

Imagine a world where every ILE film thread turns into a debate about the relative merits of Bamako, Offside and Away from Her.

I've only read NCfOM, but it didn't impress me as being solely about fate. I have no problem with genre pieces where people do stupid shit, especially in Texas.

you should see it morbz. and on the big screen.

offside rules though but you know that.

no country is ok, competently handled, i didn't hate it. but it's the 5th-best mccarthy book i've read and the, what, 4th- or 5th-best coen film i can think of. its acclaim really does mystify me, but so do lots of things.

(coen movies i like better: fargo, blood simple, raising arizona, the ladykillers) (ok kidding about the ladykillers. but not kidding about the big lebowski.)

i just cant fully commit to any kind of art that has no sense of humour whatsoever.

-- s1ocki, Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:24 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

otm

THE LADYKILLERS?!?!?

You are mad.

xp: yeah, Cillian Murphy shoulda been braying about milkshakes just before he was executed. Instant hype and Oscar noms to follow.

(ladykillers was a joke)

you know that's not what i mean.

wind shakes was so... "DO YOU SEE? GET IT?? IRAQ MUCH??"

spoilers, yo

"wind shakes was so... "DO YOU SEE? GET IT?? IRAQ MUCH??""

I neither saw or cared much about that parallel.

at the end when it cuts straight to black and the "IRAQ MUCH?" title card comes up... chills.

anyway like i said i did like it a lot... but loved it? think it was GREAT? not really.

ha, s1ocki, if that's your biggest objection to Barley -- it was Armond's too!!

NCFOM is better than Fargo. Fargo's too clever clever by a half.

nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! xp

i think no country probably their best.

Brother-on-brother stories are as old as civil wars, I didn't really see Iraq at all.

My problem with Barley is that it wasn't humorless so much as emotionless.

ncfom isn't half-clever enough.

I admit I've only begun to think that in the past 10 years. When I saw it initially I thought it was brilliant so I may end up feeling like that about NCFOM in 2020.

fargo sucks.

"ncfom isn't half-clever enough."

It doesn't need to be.

boring and annoying. i used to kinda like it, too.

xp
Haven't seen anything I loved or thought was great from '07 yet. Or '06 (Inland Empire closest).

what does that even mean (re: clever/half-clever/whatever)

i have no idea.

but among the things i think no country is not enough: clever, interesting, imaginative, smart. funny. scary. sad.

(which are all things i think twbb and zodiac have plenty of.)

Zodiac is a good big-budget cop show (Armond thinks the voices of the men inhabiting it are too high).

no it's something more than that. you're not going to get away with dismissing a movie for its genre on this board, mister.

ok now i agree with slocki.

fargo sucks.

-- omar little, Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:09 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

insane

fargo sucks

xp

I'm not ... I just didn't find Zodiac an all-too-original example of that genre, the way its fans do.

Fargo is a smug funny-accent travesty.

i love tommy lee jones but his marshall in the fugitive is about 500 times better than his cop in ncfom

shit, his speech to rosario dawson at the end of men in black 2 is better than anything in ncfom

here is why fargo doesn't suck

frances macdormand
steve buscemi
peter stomare
william h macy
harve presnell

carter burwell

steve park
john carroll lynch

steve reevis

i think fargo got humanized by frances mcdormand. maybe being married to a coen helps. ncfom doesn't get humanized by anything.

Zodiac is not a genre picture

are you kidding? josh mf brolin.

steve reevis

-- remy bean, Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

fuck yeah

josh brolin is... misdirected

everyone is inscrutable and blank and we're supposed to project all these film crit motivations and desires onto them but i didnt really. i think the movie looked good and there were a couple half decent exchanges but to pretend its fucking with fargo or that its the best coen bros is crazy revisionism

tlj brings some humanity to it. i didn't like fargo because i thought it was generically directed when compared to the coens' best stuff. though their worst stuff is totally overdirected.