Katrina's aftermath

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is it wrong to wish gwb could be dropped into the crowd outside the superdome right now with no fucking secret service?

No, it isn't.

recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

(CNN) -- A convoy of military vehicles plowed through the flooded streets of New Orleans on Friday bringing food, water and medicine to the thousands of people trapped at a downtown convention center.

The relief effort came as President Bush toured the Gulf Coast to survey damage from Hurricane Katrina and shortly after the mayor of New Orleans said the city was "holding on by a thread."

The commanding general in charge of the relief effort in New Orleans was directing the operation from a street corner. He told the troops, part of a deployment of 1,000 members of the National Guard, to make sure they kept their guns down. (Watch aid roll into New Orleans -- 3:33)

"A few moments ago, he stopped a truck full of National Guard Troops ... and said, 'Point your weapons down, this is not Iraq,'" said CNN's Barbara Starr who is traveling with the three-star general.

"He is very determined to keep this looking like a humanitarian relief operation," Starr said.

Thousands of people have been stranded at the Ernest Morial Convention Center with little help and surrounded by corpses, trash and human waste.

"We got here, there's no food. There's no water. There's shooting. They're killing people," evacuee Tishia Walters told CNN from inside the center. "They're robbing men in the restrooms, they're raping women trying to go to the rest room. So people have resorted to defecating on the floors. You can't walk. There's babies without Pampers, mammas without milk. It's chaos total chaos."

Mayor Ray Nagin said in a statement that more than 10,000 people were evacuated from the city Thursday but that more than 50,000 survivors were still on rooftops and in shelters, in urgent need of help. (See video of the desperate conditions -- 1:56)

Earlier, Nagin lashed out at state and federal authorities saying they were "thinking small" in the face of the massive crisis. (See video of the demand for national leaders to 'get off their asses' -- 12:09)

Nagin will meet with President Bush on at the New Orleans airport when Bush arrives there Friday, according to White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

Bush: Results 'not acceptable'
President Bush arrived in Mobile, Alabama, on Friday to inspect the storm damage. He sad the federal government would "restore order in the city of New Orleans," where violence has hampered rescue efforts.

Before leaving Washington, Bush told reporters that millions of tons of food and water were on the way to -- but the results of the relief effort "are not acceptable." (Full story) (Watch Bush news briefing -- 2:32)

Bush is taking an aerial tour of Mobile and nearby Biloxi, Mississippi. He then plans to view Louisiana hurricane damage from the air, flying over the city of New Orleans.

Police outnumbered and outgunned
Overnight, police snipers were stationed on the roof of their precinct, trying to protect it from gunmen roaming through the city, CNN's Chris Lawrence reported.

One New Orleans police sergeant compared the situation to Somalia and said officers were outnumbered and outgunned by gangs in trucks.

"It's a war zone, and they're not treating it like one," he said, referring to the federal government.

The officer hitched a ride to Baton Rouge Friday morning, after working 60 hours straight in the flooded city. He has not decided whether he will return.

He broke down in tears when he described the deaths of his fellow officers, saying many had drowned doing their jobs. Other officers have turned in their badges as the situation continues to deteriorate.

In one incident, the sergeant said gunmen fired rifles and AK-47s at the helicopters flying overhead.

He said he saw bodies riddled with bullet holes, and the top of one man's head completely shot off.

Lt. Gen Steven Blum of the National Guard said that as many as 2,600 National Guard troops were expected to arrive in Louisiana Friday to join the nearly 2,000 who went in Thursday.

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

check crooksandliars for video of the governor getting slammed in an interview with anderson cooper.

That was actually a Senator, not the Governor.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

"He is very determined to keep this looking like a humanitarian relief operation," Starr said.

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

shit, you're right. sorry, my bad.

(xpost)

mark p (Mark P), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

"He is very determined to keep this looking like a humanitarian relief operation," Starr said.
-- gear (speed.to.roa...), September 2nd, 2005. (gear)

"Reeemembah, Dahlings...it's better to looook goood than to feeel goood"

Fernando (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

And here's the kind of e-mails that I'm getting from co-workers:

Greetings All,

Interesting and encouraging article below from RADIO BUSINESS REPORT about Radio and TV efforts nationwide.

It is normal to think that only “we” are helping, but be encouraged by the knowledge that stations from Philly to San Diego, and Spokane to Boston and all sized markets in between are reaching out, just as we are.

And before anybody works up a full sweat bashing the Feds, do a little newspaper archive research and you’ll find that EVERY administration since the 60’s (when FEMA was developed) has been bashed for being slow or non-existent – even the 8 years of “I feel your pain. . . “.

And none of them were guilty of being slow. By all means call FEMA and tell them where to land the cargo planes full of people and supplies; Oyeah, I forgot the storm wiped out all the airports near enough to do any good. So call’m and tell’m about all the super highways they can use……whoops, I forgot, ALL the highways are gone, too. I-10 east of N.O. is gone for about a hundred miles.

The truth is that six months from now when 90% of those who receive this e-mail have forgotten about Katrina’s victims, FEMA will STILL be there helping.

Anyway, check out the article and be at peace that broadcasters everywhere are doing all they can.

Respectfully,

Stewart Robb, C.R.M.C.
Account Executive

This went out to everyone who works here. I hit "Reply All" and sent this:

Greetings, Stew.

Please keep your cute opinions about the Federal government to yourself. I could go on about federal funding cut from the budget to shore up the levees to NATIONAL guardsmen who have been called away from their post to go fight a war in a different country. The Head of FEMA, Michael Brown, admitted to Brian Williams last night on NBC’s news that he wasn’t aware that the situation was so serious, or that people were waiting for buses at the Convention Center. If it was your parent sitting dead on a highway median or your relative being raped in the Louisiana Superdome, I wonder how sing-songy you’d be about FEMA.

I miss the days of presidents saying “I feel your pain” rather than “don’t buy gas if you don’t need to.”

Tre Baker, American

I may be fired now, but I don't care.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

hero

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

This went out to everyone who works here. I hit "Reply All" and sent this:

holy fuck, man. rock.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

That's awesome Tre.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

PP - you rule.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Nicely done, Pleasant. (And feel free to post his whining response if there is one.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

is it wrong to wish gwb could be dropped into the crowd outside the superdome right now with no fucking secret service?

If it's wrong, I don't wanna be right.

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

I did something similar at my job after 9/11 (ie, responding to an idiot). I was laid off within three days.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Bush can fly over in a jetfighter and parachute down to the angry mob. They couldn't possibly stay mad at him then! Macho pres. is here! (Food to arrive later.)

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Never Forget 9/14

Stormy Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

According to Chuck Taggart's New Orleans-intensive Looka! blog, Shout! Factory Records is donating net profits from Web sales of their Big Ol' Box of New Orleans 4-CD set to N.O. disaster relief efforts.

Shout! Factory's site doesn't say anything about it, but Chuck's been in touch with them, and says it's so.

Stephen X (Stephen X), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Never Forget 9/14

hahahahahaha

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/US/09/02/katrina.impact/top.katfri23.jpg

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

yo Pleasant Plains, you post his email I'll fucking email the cuntbag too.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

haha I'll be a reference for you if you get fired PP!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I mean I just think someone needs to email this Stewart and inform him that HARRY CONNICK JR. managed to find a highway to get to the Convention Center, so I mean maybe it is kind of unreasonable to believe that this is an impossible task for the ENTIRE US GOVERNMENT to achieve, ya knows?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

I mean Harry Connick Jr ain't exactly John Rambo, let's be honest about this here.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

By the way, anyone care to suppose what C.R.M.C. stands for?

xpost
still, he proably does want his country to love its people, the way they love it.

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

IT, that is. (Hmmm. Stallone really WAS a great actor!)

Draw Tipsy, ya hack. (dave225.3), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

By the way, anyone care to suppose what C.R.M.C. stands for?

Cash Rules My Country?

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Cuntish Republican Man Child?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

george forgot to bring his banner on today's photo ops... kinda big for inside the plane from where he's going to "observe" new orleans
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/images/1030-02.jpg

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

12:49 P.M. - BILOXI, MS (AP): President Bush has been trying to console people who lost their homes, and everything else but their lives, to Hurricane Katrina.

Visiting Biloxi, Mississippi, Bush spoke with a tearful woman who told him, "We don't have anything." They stood alongside the ruins of homes that had been reduced to pieces amid fallen trees and other debris.

He walked through the debris with the woman and a girl, his arms around their shoulders, and told them to "hang in there."

Ah, compassionate conservatism. That pain really is felt.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Honore says 'over' when he's done talking on the cell phone with CNN. I just find that very cute for some reason.

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh joy.

Planning to return? Roll up your sleeve.
Friday, 11:45 a.m.

People who are planning to return to Louisiana should consider getting
tetanus shots first, according to the state health department.

Adults need boosters every 10 years, spokeswoman Kristen Meyer said,
but if more than five years have passed since the last tetanus shot,
people should get another inoculation after being cut or injured,
especially while cleaning up after Hurricane Katrina or working in dirty water.

The question about shots has been the dominant query from callers to
the department's emergency center who are planning to come back, Meyer
said.

"It's a good thing that people are trying to find out," she said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

12:49 P.M. - BILOXI, MS (AP): President Bush has been trying to console people who lost their homes, and everything else but their lives, to Hurricane Katrina.

Visiting Biloxi, Mississippi, Bush spoke with a tearful woman who told him, "We don't have anything." They stood alongside the ruins of homes that had been reduced to pieces amid fallen trees and other debris.

He walked through the debris with the woman and a girl, his arms around their shoulders, and told them to "hang yourself over there."

Stormy Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

More from the NY Times, on the levees:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/national/nationalspecial/02levee.html

The accumulation of 40 years of compromises of that sort resulted in a mixture of grief, frustration and defensiveness from the corps, which has long been given a mission far broader than its budget.

Ultimately, the corps is directed, along with 15 other agencies, by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. "It is FEMA who is really calling the shots and setting priorities here," General Strock said.

He defended the Bush administration against the charge that spending on the war in Iraq had diminished the capacity to deal with domestic threats like the hurricane.

"I do not see that to be the case," General Strock said. "We deeply regret the loss of life associated with this. We are committed to doing whatever we can right now to stop the flow of waters and get the city on the road to recovery."

Alfred C. Naomi, a senior project manager in the New Orleans district of the corps, said the New Orleans protection system was a vexing mix. It met the standards that were agreed on long ago, but was known to be inadequate.

"This storm was much greater than protection we were authorized to provide," Mr. Naomi said.

Current and former local officials expressed anger at the lack of preparedness.

"I'm just shocked," said Martha Madden, who was the Louisiana secretary of environmental quality in the late 1980's and is now a consultant in strategic planning in Washington and New Orleans.

The Corps of Engineers, Ms. Madden said, should have arranged access to supplies like sandbags and concrete barriers, the way environmental planners reserve access to materials for oil spills.

lyra (lyra), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh you evil wonderful man.

Anyway:

12:50 P.M. - SAN ANTONIO (AP): The first of 25,000 Hurricane Katrina refugees ticketed for San Antonio arrived today at the old Kelly Air Force Base aboard nine buses from Louisiana.

A staging area's been set up at what's now called KellyUSA in southwestern San Antonio. There, the refugees will be checked in and given living arrangements.

They'll be staying in a 325,000-square-foot warehouse that was part of the old air base. Medical and mental-health care will be available -- as will showers and meals.

It's not clear how many refugees are expected to arrive this first day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

He walked through the debris with the woman and a girl, his arms around their shoulders, and told them to "hang in there."

And added, "Now may be the time to start a medical savings account. You should plan ahead for disasters."

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first I want to say a few things. I am incredibly proud of our Coast Guard. We have got courageous people risking their lives to save life. And I want to thank the commanders and I want to thank the troops over there for representing the best of America.

I want to congratulate the governors for being leaders. You didn't ask for this, when you swore in, but you're doing a heck of a job.

I'm sure he can relate. Being a leader is hard work.

Stormy Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Workin' hard!

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Haha that was an x-post

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

OMG

And I'm not looking forward to this trip. I got a feel for it when I flew over before. It -- for those who have not -- trying to conceive what we're talking about, it's as if the entire Gulf Coast were obliterated by a -- the worst kind of weapon you can imagine. And now we're going to go try to comfort people in that part of the world.

Stormy Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Mother Nature is a terrorist.

Stormy Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

And I'm not looking forward to this trip.

Dude, it's going be such a bummer.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

http://www.evilkid.com/pd/images/hang.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

I like this line too: My dad and Bill Clinton are going to raise money for governors' funds.

AWWW THE PRESIDENT HAS A DADDY

Stormy Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

What about nuclear weapons? Have you heard of those?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Oh, wait...

Andy_K (Andy_K), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

how long til Bush sends the Navy to bomb random sections of water in the Caribbean and the Air Force to destroy threatening looking clouds in the Atlantic?

gear (gear), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

My dad, Bill Clinton, told me I was pwned.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh dude unpleasant images of Clinton and Barbara Bush, dude, stop that.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

He would probably go for it, too.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

for all we know, PP could be the CEO here, and Stewart is JUST an "Account Executive." At least, I hope so...

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)


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