Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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What I want to stand for? Oh, please. Save the hysteria for someone who gives a rat's ass, (including the fuck-you's over the deaths of thousands of people in Rwanda during the Clinton Administration. That is what you referenced, isn't it Shakey?)

I have very low expectations because of history. That history is colorfully bipartisan without exception, and it doesn't make me jaded, it just gives me reasonable expectations. I'd love to be more optimistic about the future of this country, but have a hard time knowing where to look. Besides, I've got Entertainment Tonight on Tivo and US Magazine to read anyway.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

"(including the fuck-you's over the deaths of thousands of people in Rwanda during the Clinton Administration. That is what you referenced, isn't it Shakey?"

don't change the subject - I was not a Clinton supporter. Nice attempt at misdirection there tho. you seem fond of that tactic.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

(tho fwiw, I don't recall Rwanda really "exciting the citizenry" so why were you even bothering to pay attention?)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

haha look who's talking!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

after all, yr line of argument is that if it doesn't involve spectacular personal sexual embarassment, it isn't worthy of concern.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm so fond of misdirection that I brought up Ken Mehlman?

I CARE ABOUT BLACK KETTLES AND POTS.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

correct me if i'm wrong but don isn't your argument more that if it doesn't involve spectacular personal sexual embarrassment the 'american people' aren't concerned? and shakey you disagree with this why? are you seriously arguing that abramoff has produced more watercooler talk, drudgehits, snl sketches, lame leno jokes than lewinsky? i'm not so sure dude.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

The neo-cons weren't all that eager to go over and help out in Bosnia or Africa as I recall so they still don't get a pass on Rwanda and using it to relativise their present fetor is too contemtible to even mention without an involuntary snort. Of whiskey.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

my referring to Ken Mehlman isn't misdirection - its responding to your expressed desire to see more juicy sex scandals from this administration (insofar as you seem to have forgotten there already was one and it was quickly hushed up).

blount - I'm disagreeing with don's position that those are the only things worth being concerned about or shocked by. I thought this was fairly obvious. I'm not particularly disagreeing with his assessment of what gets the American public's attention.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

i thought kristol was pretty strongly in favor of intervening in bosnia at the time, 'bold new strong foreign policy!', chiding republicans for lapsing into isolationism, not being BOLD enough. africa could go fuck itself obv.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

For the record, I'd like to say that I care very deeply about black obstetricians. Some of my bes.... er, never mind.

Don, can we agree that Melissa Rivers should be the first American on Mars? (one way ticket, of course.)

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

also clinton's been pretty forthcoming about rwanda being the biggest mistake of his administration and gore said they should've acted during the 2000 debates (while bush rebutted 'no that's the one thing you guys got right. fuck africa.')

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Here's a question. I thought it terrible of us not to do anything at the time in Rwanda. Do we think the U.S. military could have realistically done something to stop the slaughter or would it have been exploited as more imperialism and led to even greater anarchy?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

not sure greater anarchy would've been possible. i had very very mixed feelings at the time, my understanding is that logistically it presented much greater challenges than somalia (obv the political importance of that can't be overstated, we should remember too that the tossphrase surrounding any military venture at the time was 'is this worth the life of even one american serviceman?', there was a justifiably strict adherence to powell doctrine in military policy, republican grumblings that clinton was turning the military into a humanitarian force, and clinton already in ken starr's sights and at the weakest point of his presidency)(CONSIDERABLE resistance to us action from europe at the time also)(if i remember correctly it was french resistance that kept us out of rwanda and british resistance that kept us out of bosnia)('kept us out of' used loosely obv - we're talking tiny, powerless states, there were the straw on the camel's back more like), that very very little could've been accomplished re: the actual slaughter but much more could've been accomplished re: refugees, general humanitarian efforts. obv the real tragedy of the nineties for america AND the world is that at a time when the us was very very willing to relinquish some of it's world cop status (and ability to act in that manner) the un was ineffectual per usual and europe's response to genocide to within the continent or to its immediate south was to yawn, buy another oasis record, and leave it to the us whether anything would get done. europe had the opportunity to end american hegemony (which would benefit america as much as europe) and passed because it might require actual action (and the ability to act) instead of rhetoric.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

hey shakey: I was being sarcastic w/r to what the hell is important (i.e. things worth "standing up for.") Kind of like I assume your "fuck you" was.

Bush more or less apologized for the government's dismal performance. Yes, this came after he fellated Brownie, of course, but he did pretend to be contrite when pressed. Finally. Kinda rang hollow to me, too. I'm not really sure that I buy Clinton's apology much--hell, there's no way to really spin your way out of genocide in two different countries on two different continents when you're in charge. Political apologies are just that.

As for your question, Rwanda would have been a clusterfuck of the Mongolian order. Were it me, I wouldn't have sent troops in. Which make apologizing for Rwanda all the more hollow--Clinton's decision was probably the right one.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

Fuck an apology, how about doing SOMETHING to help rebuild and fortify New Orleans or help evacuees.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

haha don did you literally just damn clinton if he do and damn him if he don't?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Jordan, OTM.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

haha - yeah, I thought the gov't was there to, y'know DO STUFF, not just hand out nicknames and apologies.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Two things of interest:

First, advance word of an upcoming Congressional report unsurprisingly trashes everyone in the general chain of command. What is perhaps a touch surprising, or at least intriguing, is that it's a GOP-controlled committee trashing certain chunks of the administration -- Chertoff, 'White House aides' -- as well as the usual on-site targets.

Meanwhile, over in NRO world Deroy Murdock, who to his credit actually has visited the city at least a couple of times since Katrina, has been posting columns every so often noting how poorly the reconstruction effort is going, and is not sparing BushCo -- in fact it seems they're now a particular target of his calmly-stated but still fierce opprobrium. This one I've linked details a plan for recovery that, because it actually involves government intervention, is being opposed by the likes of Cato and, apparently, the White House itself -- and Murdock ain't happy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, fraud is now going to be a talking point.

But the report says FEMA found that 900,000 of the 2.5 million applications for all forms of individual assistance were "potential duplicates."

"Even when FEMA's automated computer system picked out what might be fraudulent applications, payments sometimes were still sent, says the advance testimony of Gregory Kutz, the managing director of the GAO's forensic audits unit.

The controls were so lax that auditors were able to secure a $2,000 relief check by using "falsified identifies, bogus addresses and fabricated disaster stories," and then simply waiting for the money to arrive in the mail, says the report for the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times."

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 13 February 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

What is perhaps a touch surprising, or at least intriguing, is that it's a GOP-controlled committee trashing certain chunks of the administration -- Chertoff, 'White House aides' -- as well as the usual on-site targets.

why is this surprising? their whole strategy has been to transfer the blame.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Who does 'their' refer to in this case?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Usually they transfer blame onto a Democrat.

Dan (Surprise!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

http://kthv.com/assetpool/images/0628225616_FEMA_Trailors1.jpghttp://kthv.com/assetpool/images/0628225631_FEMA_Trailors3.jpg

I wish that I could find some aerial shots of this, but the Hope Airport in southwest Arkansas is currently home to 10,000 empty, unused trailer homes that were bought by FEMA for Katrina victims. FEMA says that they're working with private property owners and municipalities and whatnot and blah blah blah. Meanwhile, FEMA began kicking Katrina evacuees out of hotels this month.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:50 (twenty years ago)

The White House issues its own report.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=1702714&page=1

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

They had met with reporters in Nashville to promote their upcoming Soul2Soul II Tour

Back to life, back to reality...

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

A HAPPY FACE

A THUMPING BASS

FOR A LOVING RACE



j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:21 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
I just talked to my mom (who lives in bham, AL) and she said that some of her local morning radio talk show hosts have vowed to cease holding benefit events for new orleans because of the election results because "if they don't want to help themselves, they sure don't need our help"

apparently this is a widespread sentiment in birmingham.

please tell me the rest of the country isn't being this ignorant and selfish just because we prefer an honest black mayor to a dishonest white one.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 02:32 (twenty years ago)

Common sentiments elsewhere include Chris Mathews on Hardball saying 'why should we rebuld there at all,' and folks who say, 'Bush has spent billions there, what do you mean nothing has been done."
Plus "Katrina, that's old news, it's those ILLEGAL immigrants that worry me."

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Help me write a platform for New Orleans

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)

RealClearPolitics lectures the media, as is its wont.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:27 (twenty years ago)

That darn liberal media is always focussed on the empty half of the glass--Thank you Real Clear Politics...I look forward to their analysis of the recent articles on the Army Corps of Engineers.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Hehehe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Wow. Rereading last September's commens made me ill all over again. And hurricane season begins in two weeks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:19 (twenty years ago)

And to think that in three months, it will only be the FIRST anniversary of Katrina. joy.

It seriously feels like it's been 5-7 years ago.

I'm getting ill thinking that Katrina isn't going to get anniversary coverage at all on the major networks, but 9/11 will again, thanks to a certain Oliver stone movie.. (again, not to underplay 9/11, but the outrage from 9 months ago should be just as remembered as the outrage from 9/11.)

Have I mentioned that I STILL have a friend unaccounted for from Katrina? He's a young dude i met when I first moved to Seattle in 2001. He and a bunch of friends moved to NOLA in early 2002, so it was brief, but we kept in touch online.

Before Katrina hit, every one of my friends contacted everybody on their myspace list saying "We're OK.. except one person."... I didn't want to bring it up, because I didn't want to lapse into permanent panic attack mode. We knew that he didn't have a car, he was really down and in a bad way (became a junkie) and only mentioned that he'd find "his own way out.".. not the best way to phrase it, to be honest.

If he surivived, dude, I hope you're happy having erased your identity completely and the carings of the people who loved you and are happy right now.

If not, I hope it was quick.

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I still remember the picture of the body of the old man in the lawn chair at the dome, and I think of my friend having died that way. I haven't been able to get that image out of my head.. even though chances are, it didn't pan out that way.

My friends tried to contact being at the NYT for pictures, and they responded saying they didn't know at the time if their friend was caught in one of the pics... so who knows.

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:23 (twenty years ago)

My friends tried to contact being at the NYT for pictures

Sorry, "My friends tried to contact photographers at the NYT for pictures"

For the record, since the infamous vandalism of the W stickered car in Redmond, I have seen only one W sticker in greater Seattle since... I've only seen three more W stickers in between: the two days I was in Los Angeles for Xmas 2005.

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
One year later, our president cares!

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/homepage/hp8-23-06b.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Is that his caring face? He looks like he's wondering "my... is that a mole on his nose?"

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

nice try dudes

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like someone to introduce a nonbinding resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that W should go live in an electricity-less FEMA trailer in the Lower 9th Ward. In hurricane season.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...
Reviving because Bush II didn't say a single thing about New Orleans in his state of the union speech.

At this point, the Feds are so bolluxed up that I believe they could only make things worse. However, there's a lot of justified anger out there because Bush/Rice want to give $770 million to Lebanon but can't be bothered to spend a dime on NOLA.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Well, if only New Orleans wasn't a 'welfare swamp enlivened by occasional transsexual hookers' like Mark Steyn sez, then I'm sure all would be taken care of. Alas.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 January 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/us/05crime.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Help me write a platform for New Orleans

Depressing.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

seven years pass...

Ray Nagin found guilty of corrupution charges

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 20:04 (twelve years ago)


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