They're supposed to be Silurians I believe, although they look more like Sea Devils and they even have the Sea Devils' heat ray. And yes, they are vampires (in Venice, I think).
I do like in the clip the shocked look on his face when he punches the guy. I'm just hoping the leaked audio clip from a few months ago isn't typcal of his performance.
― Never in, Kuyt (aldo), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Silurians and Sea Monsters are cousins anyway so np.
― I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Sea Devils even, jaysus.
The one thing Moffatt has consistently done better than any Dr Who writer is tapping into things that genuinely do scare children shitless. So anything involving vampires is good with me, especially in Venice (which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes).
Pretty sure this season will be better than any nu-Who series with the possible exception of the first one. More historical shit and alien planets, fewer identikit industrial spaceships please. Also, needs more MYSTERY. It'd be great if the reason the finale was a Must Watch was because something massive was going to be revealed, rather than yer usual bombastic Davies ending.
Presumably Moffatt got Davies to drop in the Weeping Angels as imprisoned Timelords bit as something he's planning on developing in some way. Wonder if he's had something like that in mind since the start - it would make sense given that they can move people around in time and feed off the energy.
Given Moffatt, IIRC, was the first dude to write Tennant's Doctor as hormonal girl-snogging drunken tit in The Girl In The Fireplace, I'd say anyone looking for Matt Smith to be an old-skool sexless Doctor will be disappointed. Also, well, River Song. Moffatt is really good at doing emo anyway.
Matt Smith is going to do a lot of gurning, isn't he? I just hope there isn't a big public backlash due to him not being Tennant that scuppers this series.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Moffatt set this development up way earlier with Ecclescake and "The Doctor Dances". But yes I agree he will probably be better than RTD at emo/romance bits - one of my favourite "aw" parts was in Silence in the Library, at the end when Donna just misses out on meeting her virtual husband. He's good at writing these really simple but effective scenes. none of RTD's soppy soliloquys.
― Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Every time I watch that season trailer I get more excitable. This is gonna rock bells fuiud.
― I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah Ecclestone's Doctor was more sheepish and embarassed geek than Tennant's full on drunken adolescent though - "Rose, I'm trying to resonate concrete" etc.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Sunday, 3 January 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link
oh of course, i just meant that Moffatt arguably started the whole "the Doctor isn't an asexual weirdo after all" on nu-Who.
― Roz, Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, the difference is that Moffatt can do emotions and characters and stuff like that and Rusty...well, y'know...a fucking lottery ticket???????
― I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link
which means vampires wearing CARNIVAL MASKS dudes
too similar to TGITF surely
just really interested to see how Moffat deals with the show outside his previous confines (writing the scary episode, not dealing with classic enemies) and how he'll do opening episodes and finales differently from RTD
― mdskltr (blueski), Sunday, 3 January 2010 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link
THIS IS PRETTY SHIT NEWS, TBH:
The soundtrack website Music From The Movies has a new interview with Doctor Who composer Murray Gold, in which Gold confirms that he will be staying on to compose the music for the 2010 series of Doctor Who.In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.
In the interview, Gold discusses composing and recording the scores for "The End of Time" and the other 2009 specials. He also mentions that he has already begun work on a new version of the Doctor Who theme for 2010, and that the forthcoming series will feature scripts by Mark Gatiss and Gareth Roberts.
― James Mitchell, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
Ew, yes.
― Alba, Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh ffs I was sure that the terrible score for the last ep was a swan song.
― I'm into SB (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I was really hoping he'd go.
― Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Sunday, 3 January 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link
:( was also so so hopeful he wld be gone
― Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Monday, 4 January 2010 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link
tho just knock the score down to a quarter of the volume and it'll be okay tbh
I was vainly hoping for a score of eerie ambient electronic noises.
― Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's the intrusiveness which bugs me, which is surely a failing of some sound editor, rather than Gold himself. THough I, too, would love a return to Radiophonic Workshop ambient weirdo stuff.
― Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Monday, 4 January 2010 02:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I suppose my problem is more with the mixing than the score itself, but my feelings towards Mr Gold were not greatly improved by that Doctor Who Prom they did (christ knows why I was watching this - that time of day where sitting mindlessly in front of someone else's telly choices is about all I can manage I suppose) mentioning Murray Gold's Amazing Wonderful Doctor Who Theme Tune approx 6000 times, Ron Grainer maybe once, Delia Derbyshire 0 times
― brett favre vs bernard fevre, fite (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 4 January 2010 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i reckon if they're going to rip off windowlicker so badly, they might as well hand over the score-writing duties to mr richard d james - not like he's doing anything much else at the moment except hanging round the synth shed smoking weed
that would be a welcome return to weird radiophonic noises
― Karen Tregaskin, Monday, 4 January 2010 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link
I really don't know why Moffat would get rid of everything else from the RTD era, but decide that Murray Gold is a keeper.
think his normal footwear will be black boots
The boots are Prada.
― ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 4 January 2010 14:05 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5952/eleventhdoctorpromojanu.jpg
All a bit wibbly-wobbly torchy-worchy.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Looks like an old-school Doctor there, right enough
― stet, Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:37 (fourteen years ago) link
A dalek turned up in "better off ted" this week.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 7 January 2010 04:48 (fourteen years ago) link
annoying gingers complaining about doctor who complaining about not-being-ginger giving the rest of us gingers a bad name:
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6977818.ece
― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Awesome choice of picture there.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 10:43 (fourteen years ago) link
― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:37 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
karen, i was on the fence about your whole steez, but this is the second lame anti-ginger comment in two days, so: get fucked, you highly annoying challops merchant/fake woman.
― Patriarchy Oppression Machine (history mayne), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Hearsay and rumours that this series will contain Winston Churchill (could be awful) and Vincent Van Gogh (could be amazing).
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:46 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.denofgeek.com/television/393564/doctor_who_new_series_writers_lineup.html
― ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:54 (fourteen years ago) link
That's a decent line-up of writers, especially given that both the Unicorn & The Wasp and School Reunion are underrated episodes.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Set pic from the Vincent Van Gogh episode - http://imgur.com/MpnPR.jpg
There's other ones with what's supposedly the new 'bad wolf' running theme shown, too.
― James Mitchell, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Simon Nye?? o_O
― unpredictable johnny rodz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 11:58 (fourteen years ago) link
Chibnall ;_;
― Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link
dear mr. mayne: i AM ginger
this might be why i notice these kinds of things?
― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link
am i missing something here or isn't 'karen' pretty obviously masonic boom?
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:23 (fourteen years ago) link
portmeirion :o
― conrad, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
“I’ve still got legs. Arms, hands, lots of fingers, eyes, hair,” said Smith, 27, after completing his regeneration from David Tennant. Checking his new look, the eleventh actor to play the Doctor continued: “I’m not a doll. I’m still not ginger.”
what the fucking fuck he said "I'm not a GIRL" not "I'm not a doll" surely
whole show is ruined otherwise
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
the comment on that geek site linked to is rather wrong though - claims that the only historical personages the dr meets are writers?
since when was queen victoria a writer?
― Karen Tregaskin, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link
chibnall is doing the two-parter? argh
― Roz, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link
whilst Chris Chibnall (42) will pen a two-parter.
MEH. six Moffat eps tho, cup runneth over. question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:29 (fourteen years ago) link
blueski is correct.
Ward the obvious thing you're missing is that Masonic Boom isn't ginger!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Six episodes is pretty hefty! Rusty usually did, what, four?
― Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (fourteen years ago) link
he did 6 for s4. i guess it means Moffat will write the last 4 or 5, building up to big revelatory arc in similar way.
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link
No Paul Cornell :(
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:30 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
should i grow a beard?
― joe, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Get this shit off our nice Doctor Who thread, thx.
― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:36 (fourteen years ago) link
word
― mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link
As a ginger w/no sense of humour I might normally mind that there comment but chose to hear it as slightly funny dig at everyone (apparently every Who watcher ever except on ILX) who takes violent exception to Donna for being, ooh, a bit ginger and over 25, both pretty shocking for a woman who gets allowed to be on the telly
seriously everyone I talk to abt Doctor Who except on here moans endlessly about her being the worst companion ever, which is just a bit silly if you look at the competition, even the nu-Who competition
(xposts) Hm, I was scanning for Cornell too. It says "returnees include" so I don't know if it's completely ruled out or not.
Don't know whether to be excited or worried about new Weeping Angels, since I loved Blink but thought it was very neat as a one-off.
― ⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link
question is who will be the new him and upstage the head writer?
I'm guessing that would be Paul Cornell, but is he actually writing any?
I thought 42 was an okay, certainly non-terrible episode.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Just checked, Rusty wrote five episodes for each of his series.
― Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Thursday, 7 January 2010 12:41 (fourteen years ago) link
except for the two Tardises and the recreated Tenth Planet scenes and the Whithouse crater and the alien tower and the other alien tower and Kaled mutant facehuggers and another!!! new 60s control room and shimmery glass ladies and two trenches full of actors in period war uniforms etc etc
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 28 December 2017 01:16 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I’m not sure how many inches that pendulum can swing before it’s in “that was ridiculous, two old men running and jumping all over the place” territory
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 28 December 2017 01:24 (six years ago) link
I liked it for a while but by the end I felt like Moffatt thinks we are sadder to see him go than we really arenah this isn't abt Moffat or his ego, it's the opposite: End Of Time was the most popular story in all of nu-Who, so despite it suuuuucking, Moffat follows what was RTD's crowd-pleasing set-up both times. remember that Moffat was exhausted and wrote his intended final episodes almost three (3!!!) years ago: Heaven Sent / Hell Bent / Husbands were produced as his finale, down to the golden The End being written onscreen. then he got begged back for another year until Chinballs was ready, had to take a year to recover, but gave us the amazing Capaldi / Bill pairing... and then had to come back AGAIN to bump the regeneration and add on a Christmas special he hadn't planned on. The ending was nine damp squibs fizzling in a row, but it's not because he thought that either the audience or himself wanted more of him.
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 28 December 2017 01:24 (six years ago) link
obv I've said that before, new script editor needed in my production office
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 28 December 2017 01:28 (six years ago) link
did you have moff round for tea or something
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 December 2017 02:31 (six years ago) link
hahahaha
― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:23 (six years ago) link
opinions in the short para, public facts in the other
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 28 December 2017 07:15 (six years ago) link
grand moff larkin’
― h.p. minecraft (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 December 2017 07:56 (six years ago) link
Thanks for the behind-the-scenes sic, I feel a lot more forgiving to Moffat now. I found this whole episode really disjointed; the armistice moment wasn't earned at all, if Ypres was the main setting of the episode it could have been excellent. Capaldi's farewell rounds/farewell speech was agonizing
Back to Gold for a second, did anyone else notice the truly weird soundtrack change two-thirds of the way through when Bill asks 'why are you not regenerating' of Capaldi, the soundtrack builds with an 'action is happening' theme, then when Capaldi replies 'there has to be an end Bill', the soundtrack yanks the handbrake and begins a wistful, ain't-we-full-of-regret theme. It's really jarring and I think somebody in the editing suite was trying to make a deadline and spaced out
― Brakhage, Thursday, 28 December 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
Glad to hear the rumours that Gold is sodding off
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:05 (six years ago) link
God I hope they aren’t just rumors
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
I don't think there's a been soundtrack so bad or intrusive in any recent TV show has there? I mean a lot of dull soundtracks sure but Gold is just obnoxious, always trying to make you have a rosy golden warm feeling
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
*there's been a
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Thursday, 28 December 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
I think he brought some welcome cinematic drama to more than a few of my favorite 10th and 11th Dr stories but his style has calcified and started to really grate. Not unlike Giacchino’s scores for Lost which were minimal, fresh and bravely weird at first but eventually turned into self-parody over time (along with the rest of that show) - talented composer, stuck in self-inflicted rut, doomed by excessively long run.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 29 December 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
And sound editors who keep sticking him too high in the mix
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 29 December 2017 01:41 (six years ago) link
Gatiss's departure at the end of this undercut by his resemblance to Tim McInnerny as Captain Darling.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 29 December 2017 09:54 (six years ago) link
saw an interview with Moffat where he bemoaned that having to come back again meant the regeneration happened at Christmas, when he was pleased at breaking the pattern previously
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Saturday, 30 December 2017 05:49 (six years ago) link
gold star for u tiger
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 30 December 2017 06:16 (six years ago) link
for u!
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Saturday, 30 December 2017 09:16 (six years ago) link
I enjoyed this. I wasn’t expecting multiple callbacks to Into the Dales, though.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link
This was great but I'm not sure Bill being a duplicate was a very satisfying way to end her arc (though I guess that was the point). i enjoyed the big speech and even Gatiss was good, an achievement in itself.
Bingo on many Moff tropes:Timey-wimey / location-hopping"It's a big not a feature" / No villainScrewball dialog - great, then overstaying its welcome Everything gets summed up with a big meta speechBeing 20% terrible and 80% very, very good indeedMaking my partner cry more than once an episode
I think Capaldi would've got the best regeneration episode BY FAR if they'd just kept it to the end of last season as planned. But I still think Matt Smith's was the best (and underrated, except possibly by sic).
Overall I still get excited to see Moffat's name in the writing credits - he might not have bettered Blink but he definitely equalled his other RTD episodes. And he's forgiven for the last episode of Sherlock (one of the worst things I've ever seen).
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 30 December 2017 15:46 (six years ago) link
All the nu-Who, available now:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/p06870tz
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 11 June 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
Awesome. Time to blub at Human Nature again I guess.
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 09:43 (six years ago) link
Brain Of Morbius is a story that showed onscreen faces of the Doctor pre-Hartnell, that have never been referred to before or since
Yeah, this is a pretty contentious claim. Also, some of them are probably Morbius's faces.
It's only contentious because nerds; it's plainly what the production team intended at the time. (As well as in-joking by including themselves.)
Turns out that it was only the production staff / freelancers (plus one guy who worked down the hall) because an open call for volunteers from BBC staff got zero responses
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-UFtbiXkAAZbt3.jpg
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
Haha that’s some confusing self-and-others quoting, I thought you were disproving your own point for a minute.
― JimD, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 09:02 (four years ago) link