Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

every time dt switched aim he also switched hands.

"mummy, why did the doctor tell jack that man's name?"

i'm so glad the doctor didn't actually say "she's my mother" re the teary timelord (nice weeping angels ref too)

TRAILER

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/

I'll miss Bernard Cribbins more than anyone else. As always he was bloody brilliant.

Yeah, very glad he didn't say "she's my mother". Also, the Rose thing wasn't as bad as I was expecting (though the Martha bit was terrible).

Whoever was saying Phantom Menace upthread was OTM, as this episode seemed ridiculously littered with Star Wars references (obvious ones I can remember - TIE fighter scene, cantina bar scene,). Not sure why they chose to do this, really.

Also, I can't quite square laughing out loud at "THAT'S RACIST" but cringing at "Worst. Rescue. Ever."

Not sure why they chose to do this, really.

because it's great! the Captain Jack scene reminded me more of Hitchhikers Guide bar at the end of the universe tbh. i don't know if the Gallifrey Panopticon design predates the Galactic Senate design.

I cracked up over WORST. RESCUE. EVER. because I knew someone would come to ILX to cringe on it, also was funny.

Ugh, I hate having to wait for torrents.

> TIE fighter scene, cantina bar scene

running across the bridges over the chasm, the parliament...

there were so many bloody red herrings with the knock four times thing. i thought Wilf offering the Doctor the gun four times was a good one.

I didn't dislike the Star Wars referencing per se, but it was a little distracting, and didn't seem (to me) to have any tie to the plotlines that were going on.

And actually, I think the main reason I cringed at the "worst rescue ever" line was because it reminded me of the otherwise-enjoyable episode where they kept saying "SPOILERZ, LOLS", which was much more horrible. But still kind of funny in its awfulness.

i did dislike the star wars references since star wars is the worst thing ever and i despise it..

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7383&edition=1&ttl=20100101204724

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The script writers need to be told that their stories will be rejected if Deux ex Machina is used to solve plots.

And please - no more running around screaming for supposed suspense or drawn out scenes attempting to give it gravitas. It is all so light-weight and badly written.

A true reflection of British society; dumbed down, celebrity driven and all gloss no substance.

John Byng

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An uneven episode, but glad RTD gave Donna et al decent send offs. He got the emo stuff about right I think. It wasn't too mawkish, and was genuinely touching. Just a shame about the awful music. Nice to see Donna happy and while the Mickey/Martha thing was cute. Nice Sontaran cameo too. Just a shame the sci-fi stuff was incoherent. Chucking the diamond across space and time? WTF? So much stuff wasn't properly explained, like the Ood's rapid advancement - or is that just the universe helping things along so they can help the Doctor? Maybe the Ood are being lined up as a new powerful race.
I like that Dalston turned out to be Rassillon. I suppose they could have developed that, but it would have overcomplicated things for new viewers. A nice nod to Who history.
Nice that they didn't reveal who the woman was. Another theory is that it was Romana...
I suppose it's up to Moffat how he develops this stuff, but I'd be surprised if he and RTD didn't consult each other over the changeover.
Millenium Falcon nod was a bit obvious. The bar/cantina was nicely done though. The Doctor's "death" was strongly reminiscent of Spock's death in Wrath of Khan. It worked though - far better done than the rip off of Search For Spock in Doctor's Daughter.

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Woeful, tired and overly sentimental last story. David Tennant was brilliant with Rose but it all went downhill after that. I'm afraid Matt Smith lacks the gravitas or experience to carry off such a big role. Sorry BBC, I won't be watching the next series.

dixie dean

lol he was only on screen about a minute

what's the point of pasting these comments?

to annoy moaning bastards

Ood were not supposed to be advancing like that, but were = how the Doctor knew that something was truly fucked up.

Fair enough, maybe I was just expecting them to run with that a bit more.
Anyway, the trailer for the new series is bloody fantastic. Matt Smith reminds me of Peter Davidson a little. He's slightly ungainly, clumsy compared to the manic, dashing Tennant. I like him punching out some guy or battering the Dalek with a stick.
Plus River Song! Sexy sword wielding vampires! Old school looking black Daleks! That creepy revolving plastic head! Best of all, the weeping angels! A reprise of Blink could be fantastic.

Also new Doc seems much cooler with guns

Link for trailer?

It's upthread but here you go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/newyear/

UK only tho - if overseas watch here: http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/

I'm actually in London, this kind of made staying here over the hols worth it tbh.

Ugh. Can we get youtube star wars guy to do one on this?

I dunno, the numerous Star Wars references might put him off.

Too many nits to pick. And the nits are too large. But why didn't Wilf change to the Master? And why did no-one comment on this?

I think I hated RTD most of all for making nice old Bernard Cribbins cry over David Tennant.

Come on, that was a fairly rollicking, enjoyable episode, all in all.

And also, because I am thick, will someone tell me who the woman in Wilf's visions was supposed to be? I assumed it was an older Rose since they had the old Bad Wolf theme in the soundtrack, but maybe not.

glass chamber...template deflecting...something something xpost

Too many nits to pick. And the nits are too large. But why didn't Wilf change to the Master? And why did no-one comment on this?

i think the logic is that those who have been in the tardis are changed by it so don't fit the template or something.

Well that was pretty much nonsense, Tennant game till the end though. Looking forward to a change.

i think the logic is that those who have been in the tardis are changed by it so don't fit the template or something.

more to it than that as the Doctor kept meeting Wilf who was the harbinger of his doom - so "Time" or whatever was ensuring Wilf was protected so as to trigger the Doctor's demise at the right time...same ropey Rusty-logic as with Donna basically.

It was a pretty good part two, Rusty tied up loose ends with the other characters and leaves a pretty clean slate for the new team. There were many picayune nits to pick, as mentioned above. The DW and Torchwood episodes that Moffat has done in the past never impressed me much, but I will of course be watching the new ones. Tennant was a fine doctor and none of the clunky lines or cringeworthy moments really ruined it for me. (Hey, I've sat through probably 100 hours of Shatner on screen, I'm used to camp and cheese in my sci-fi.)

Moffat hasn't written any episodes of Torchwood.

what? I though he did that one with the rural serial killing family. Hmm...... I will research...

Aha, that was somebody name Chris Chibnall. I remember watching that and making a mental note of how crummy it was. Thnx

Trailer on YouTube. This already looks better than the past two seasons of RTD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lldtm-HA0yw

Quite Peter Davison there.

ok nitpick#1, why would the Doctor seemingly pick a random time to visit Rose (he had to ask her what year it was)?

Parallel Rose's Time Baby would have been better.

Hopefully that bar at the end with all of RTD's ideas in it is now timelocked.

i like the bowtie

lol at claiming psychic powers as a way to get a dude in the sack

But why didn't Wilf change to the Master?

He was sealed in the ultra-secure glass room when the template thing went off so it didn't affect him. I think they made a handwavey remark to this effect in Part One.

Considering how bad the first part was, it was better than I thought it was going to be.

I thought that too but otoh they would have had to worked HARD to make it WORSE than the first one.

First one wasn't actively bad, just incredibly lazy w/o any storytelling. Portions of the second part are actively bad, e.g. the climax where the Doctor HAD TO CHOOSE, BETWEEN the Master and the Pres., AND HE CHOSE... to shoot a machine, oops.

I hope that 'Geronimo!!!' isn't going to be new Doctor's 'thing'. I've only heard it twice and I'm tired of it.

Loved the ender...though I'm not a huge fan of RTD's endings. Its like Return of the King all over again: aaaaand END (cry!)...but then we'll go here and do some endy stuff that'll make you sniffle...aaaand then we'll go here and do some endy stuff...and look, it's all our friends we're seeing all our friends again...by which time you've run out of juice and the ending doesn't quite stick as well as it would've had we not gone through FIVE endings. minor quibble. Lovely to see Rose again and not in Paralleluniverseville.

Part two was about a zillion times better than part one. I liked the long, drawn-out regeneration stuff at the end.