Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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Don, it't not so much that as the fact that this corrupt bunch of incompetents don't have the balls to let a little sunshine in 'cause it would show that while they make gestures to the Xtian Right, they're really just Mammon worshippers, that when they talked about bringing the ethos of business into government, it really meant cronyism and secrecy, that when it comes to choosing between national security and partisan advantage, they'll choose partisan advantage and sometimes, even worse, lining the pockets of their friends, that when they get a chance to flaunt American traditions and American law by flailing about with unwarranted eavesdropping, they'll not only conduct it unannounced (cowards), they'll justify it afterwards, showing their deep lack of imagination and their impotence. They cry, 'national security! national security!' every opportunity they get but they'd rather give the upper echelons of America's wealthy an unnecessary tax cut rather than use the money to win the war on Terror. If they can intimidate civil and military servants into spinning for them, they will, regardless of the effect on government integrity and morale. They are the party of lowered standards in almost every field of government and conduct with the signal exception being that they see probity as being defined solely by their incapacity to get a blowjob. Time and time again they have shown that they have neither the integrity nor the brains to do the job.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

i think it's more like george bush doesn't care about separation of powers, congressional authority, traditional constructionalist readings of the constitution, etc., etc.

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hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

It's not like those things are exclusive of black people, tho!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 18:58 (twenty years ago)

George Bush doesn't care about anyone outside of his inner circle (US black population being a subset of this)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

They are the party of lowered standards in almost every field of government and conduct with the signal exception being that they see probity as being defined solely by their incapacity to get a blowjob.

Republicans get blowjobs. Maybe they don't always humidor their conquests or inspire accusations of sexual battery or drown them in cars after a night of binge drinking, but they get head. Although maybe they have to pay for it.

As for lowering the standards, they were so low to begin with that I can no longer even fake shock. I'm kind of waiting for something more exciting, like a rape charge or a murder coming out fo this bunch. You know, something that the citizenry might actually care about. Of all the wacky, law-skirting stuff that the previous administration (not to mention the previous Democratic-led House or Senate), at least they had Bill Clinton to bring a semen stain to the front page. I'm not going to find "stonewalling" the least bit interesting until it involves Jenna Bush and the Chicken Ranch.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

don weiner, man of compassion.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:31 (twenty years ago)

I CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Lowering mercury standards in water, the effective failure to regulate mining, numerous no-bid contracts in Iraq and elsewhere, a radical and ahistorical position on executive authority to wiretap, the weakening of 50 year old mulitlateral security arrangements so that irrational flat-Earth jinogists get their rocks off, 'massaging' intelligence, etc...; these are not meaningless nor do they lack long term ramifications for this republic. Don, you can play the jaded man-of-the-world to your heart's content and I somewhat agree with you about the Clinton administration but the standards have been so lowered insome cases as to lead to people dying as a consequence. Is that really what you want to stand for, more needless American deaths at home and abroad?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 20:55 (twenty years ago)

My post reminds me of the debate between Milo and Opus, where Milo's last response to Opus's denying that he has a manicurist was "I'm not surprised. Most mass-murderers don't."

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I guess Don wasn't impressed by that whole "let's plant Ken Mehlman's gay escort himbo in the press corps" thing. Maybe if Gannon had had a semen-stain on his tie, that would've clinched it...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

seriously, if you think these piddling sexual embarassments (and the lone death at Chappaquiddick - way to sneak that in there!) are more important than the deaths of tens of thousands of people, well fuck you. you are not human.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:05 (twenty years ago)

something that the citizenry might actually care about

I'm not knocking democracy here but really, who the fuck cares what gets the citizenry excited? We were eager as hell to steal the West from Indians and Mexicans but we had to be dragged into WWI and WWII. I ain't that impressed with collective mental acuity of the American public. All throughout my adolescence they thought the Cosby Show was worth watching.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)

I ain't that impressed with collective mental acuity of the American public. All throughout my adolescence they thought the Cosby Show was worth watching.

i was with you until that last sentence.

stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Replace it with [insert pet peeve here], jbr.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

m. white doesn't care about black obstetricians.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

What I want to stand for? Oh, please. Save the hysteria for someone who gives a rat's ass, (including the fuck-you's over the deaths of thousands of people in Rwanda during the Clinton Administration. That is what you referenced, isn't it Shakey?)

I have very low expectations because of history. That history is colorfully bipartisan without exception, and it doesn't make me jaded, it just gives me reasonable expectations. I'd love to be more optimistic about the future of this country, but have a hard time knowing where to look. Besides, I've got Entertainment Tonight on Tivo and US Magazine to read anyway.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

"(including the fuck-you's over the deaths of thousands of people in Rwanda during the Clinton Administration. That is what you referenced, isn't it Shakey?"

don't change the subject - I was not a Clinton supporter. Nice attempt at misdirection there tho. you seem fond of that tactic.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

(tho fwiw, I don't recall Rwanda really "exciting the citizenry" so why were you even bothering to pay attention?)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

haha look who's talking!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

after all, yr line of argument is that if it doesn't involve spectacular personal sexual embarassment, it isn't worthy of concern.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm so fond of misdirection that I brought up Ken Mehlman?

I CARE ABOUT BLACK KETTLES AND POTS.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

correct me if i'm wrong but don isn't your argument more that if it doesn't involve spectacular personal sexual embarrassment the 'american people' aren't concerned? and shakey you disagree with this why? are you seriously arguing that abramoff has produced more watercooler talk, drudgehits, snl sketches, lame leno jokes than lewinsky? i'm not so sure dude.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

The neo-cons weren't all that eager to go over and help out in Bosnia or Africa as I recall so they still don't get a pass on Rwanda and using it to relativise their present fetor is too contemtible to even mention without an involuntary snort. Of whiskey.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

my referring to Ken Mehlman isn't misdirection - its responding to your expressed desire to see more juicy sex scandals from this administration (insofar as you seem to have forgotten there already was one and it was quickly hushed up).

blount - I'm disagreeing with don's position that those are the only things worth being concerned about or shocked by. I thought this was fairly obvious. I'm not particularly disagreeing with his assessment of what gets the American public's attention.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

i thought kristol was pretty strongly in favor of intervening in bosnia at the time, 'bold new strong foreign policy!', chiding republicans for lapsing into isolationism, not being BOLD enough. africa could go fuck itself obv.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

For the record, I'd like to say that I care very deeply about black obstetricians. Some of my bes.... er, never mind.

Don, can we agree that Melissa Rivers should be the first American on Mars? (one way ticket, of course.)

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

also clinton's been pretty forthcoming about rwanda being the biggest mistake of his administration and gore said they should've acted during the 2000 debates (while bush rebutted 'no that's the one thing you guys got right. fuck africa.')

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Here's a question. I thought it terrible of us not to do anything at the time in Rwanda. Do we think the U.S. military could have realistically done something to stop the slaughter or would it have been exploited as more imperialism and led to even greater anarchy?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

not sure greater anarchy would've been possible. i had very very mixed feelings at the time, my understanding is that logistically it presented much greater challenges than somalia (obv the political importance of that can't be overstated, we should remember too that the tossphrase surrounding any military venture at the time was 'is this worth the life of even one american serviceman?', there was a justifiably strict adherence to powell doctrine in military policy, republican grumblings that clinton was turning the military into a humanitarian force, and clinton already in ken starr's sights and at the weakest point of his presidency)(CONSIDERABLE resistance to us action from europe at the time also)(if i remember correctly it was french resistance that kept us out of rwanda and british resistance that kept us out of bosnia)('kept us out of' used loosely obv - we're talking tiny, powerless states, there were the straw on the camel's back more like), that very very little could've been accomplished re: the actual slaughter but much more could've been accomplished re: refugees, general humanitarian efforts. obv the real tragedy of the nineties for america AND the world is that at a time when the us was very very willing to relinquish some of it's world cop status (and ability to act in that manner) the un was ineffectual per usual and europe's response to genocide to within the continent or to its immediate south was to yawn, buy another oasis record, and leave it to the us whether anything would get done. europe had the opportunity to end american hegemony (which would benefit america as much as europe) and passed because it might require actual action (and the ability to act) instead of rhetoric.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

hey shakey: I was being sarcastic w/r to what the hell is important (i.e. things worth "standing up for.") Kind of like I assume your "fuck you" was.

Bush more or less apologized for the government's dismal performance. Yes, this came after he fellated Brownie, of course, but he did pretend to be contrite when pressed. Finally. Kinda rang hollow to me, too. I'm not really sure that I buy Clinton's apology much--hell, there's no way to really spin your way out of genocide in two different countries on two different continents when you're in charge. Political apologies are just that.

As for your question, Rwanda would have been a clusterfuck of the Mongolian order. Were it me, I wouldn't have sent troops in. Which make apologizing for Rwanda all the more hollow--Clinton's decision was probably the right one.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

Fuck an apology, how about doing SOMETHING to help rebuild and fortify New Orleans or help evacuees.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

haha don did you literally just damn clinton if he do and damn him if he don't?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Jordan, OTM.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

haha - yeah, I thought the gov't was there to, y'know DO STUFF, not just hand out nicknames and apologies.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
Two things of interest:

First, advance word of an upcoming Congressional report unsurprisingly trashes everyone in the general chain of command. What is perhaps a touch surprising, or at least intriguing, is that it's a GOP-controlled committee trashing certain chunks of the administration -- Chertoff, 'White House aides' -- as well as the usual on-site targets.

Meanwhile, over in NRO world Deroy Murdock, who to his credit actually has visited the city at least a couple of times since Katrina, has been posting columns every so often noting how poorly the reconstruction effort is going, and is not sparing BushCo -- in fact it seems they're now a particular target of his calmly-stated but still fierce opprobrium. This one I've linked details a plan for recovery that, because it actually involves government intervention, is being opposed by the likes of Cato and, apparently, the White House itself -- and Murdock ain't happy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, fraud is now going to be a talking point.

But the report says FEMA found that 900,000 of the 2.5 million applications for all forms of individual assistance were "potential duplicates."

"Even when FEMA's automated computer system picked out what might be fraudulent applications, payments sometimes were still sent, says the advance testimony of Gregory Kutz, the managing director of the GAO's forensic audits unit.

The controls were so lax that auditors were able to secure a $2,000 relief check by using "falsified identifies, bogus addresses and fabricated disaster stories," and then simply waiting for the money to arrive in the mail, says the report for the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times."

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 13 February 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

What is perhaps a touch surprising, or at least intriguing, is that it's a GOP-controlled committee trashing certain chunks of the administration -- Chertoff, 'White House aides' -- as well as the usual on-site targets.

why is this surprising? their whole strategy has been to transfer the blame.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Who does 'their' refer to in this case?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Usually they transfer blame onto a Democrat.

Dan (Surprise!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

http://kthv.com/assetpool/images/0628225616_FEMA_Trailors1.jpghttp://kthv.com/assetpool/images/0628225631_FEMA_Trailors3.jpg

I wish that I could find some aerial shots of this, but the Hope Airport in southwest Arkansas is currently home to 10,000 empty, unused trailer homes that were bought by FEMA for Katrina victims. FEMA says that they're working with private property owners and municipalities and whatnot and blah blah blah. Meanwhile, FEMA began kicking Katrina evacuees out of hotels this month.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:50 (twenty years ago)

The White House issues its own report.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=1702714&page=1

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 19:47 (twenty years ago)

They had met with reporters in Nashville to promote their upcoming Soul2Soul II Tour

Back to life, back to reality...

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:02 (twenty years ago)

A HAPPY FACE

A THUMPING BASS

FOR A LOVING RACE



j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 20:21 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
I just talked to my mom (who lives in bham, AL) and she said that some of her local morning radio talk show hosts have vowed to cease holding benefit events for new orleans because of the election results because "if they don't want to help themselves, they sure don't need our help"

apparently this is a widespread sentiment in birmingham.

please tell me the rest of the country isn't being this ignorant and selfish just because we prefer an honest black mayor to a dishonest white one.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 02:32 (twenty years ago)

Common sentiments elsewhere include Chris Mathews on Hardball saying 'why should we rebuld there at all,' and folks who say, 'Bush has spent billions there, what do you mean nothing has been done."
Plus "Katrina, that's old news, it's those ILLEGAL immigrants that worry me."

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Help me write a platform for New Orleans

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:33 (twenty years ago)

RealClearPolitics lectures the media, as is its wont.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:27 (twenty years ago)

That darn liberal media is always focussed on the empty half of the glass--Thank you Real Clear Politics...I look forward to their analysis of the recent articles on the Army Corps of Engineers.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Hehehe.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)


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