Andrea Dworkin RIP

Blah blah blah 'hatred of women' blah blah blah. Never met a woman who hated me as a person funnily enough and have plenty of them as friends and, shockingly, was brought up by them too. Blah blah blah - this is nonsense. Dworkin was a pig ugly obese nutcase and if someone only laid her back and gave her some fine oral she'd probably have revised her views a long time ago. As it is she was no worse than a KKK member telling us all blacks are the spawn of satan - only her enemy had a penis.

What makes SF great is just how sexually liberated it is. The Castro district is - like - now one of my fave places ever.

oddly, I still find yr sub-literate masturbatory fantasies really really REALLY boring.

A) Noticed you on this board the whole time I've been here

And/ Or

B) Could tell you one post you've made.

So you're clearly a very memorable guy.

All I can say to that is that I'm glad you didn't crash our party in SF after all because if you can't join in on such things then you gotta be freaking boring.

Whoa! This very person is caricatured in the first issue of Bob Fingerman's brilliant Minimum Wage. I knew the comic was drawn from a lot of things in his life but I hadn't realized that person was one of them.

Anyway, back to Calum's attempt to think. Oh wait never mind.

By the way - you'll find the nastiest post was at the top when someone volunteered 'pissing on her grave' but I said far worse than that clearly.

Or maybe it's just open fire on me again season. Let me break it to you bozos - if Dworkin had managed to change laws, which IS what she campaigned for, then you'd be living in a very sorry society indeed. Hilariously, everything about ILX's "right on" psuedo left-leaning BS is proven exactly that - because Dworkin really stood for sexual regression.

But never mind eh?

Oh - and if she had listened to my advice and lost some weight - as any doctor will advise anyone of her size - maybe she wouldn't be dead. Cos looking like THAT is not healthy.

P.S. Ned - are you still sitting behind your PC in LA?? Sheesh man, do you want some of my party invites? Get you out and stuff?

In three months I had invites to all the cool shit. What have you been doing wrong man?

"Is suicide a rational decision"

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Our congratulations go to the winner, Danielle Fitzpatrick, who lives in Middlesex.

Well done also to the runners up, who are: Charlotte White from Leicestershire, Joseph Matthews from Merseyside, Amy Fieldhouse from Humberside, Alex Sanderson from Suffolk, Callum Waddell from Aberdeen, Jake Baudet from the West Midlands, Lauren McFarland from Cumbria, Jamie Black from County Down, Ailsa Floyd from Argyll, Alexander Strettle from Tyne and Wear, Pippa Jolly from Devon, Sara Chan from Merseyside, Raisa Tariq from Surrey, Anoushka Patel from London and Andrew Gofton from Hertfordshire.

P.S. Someone else posting as "NamC" - obviously - though the confusion rocks.

Dom - wrong spelling, wrong city. Not me. Sorry.

Pretty poor imitation of the real one here.

"I've got lots of fabulous press flacks who ADORE me...*heaves sobs*...I'm sorry but I just moved myself."

I don't guess this is really worth responding to, but I figured I'd state the obvious: If all Dworkin needed was "some fine oral," I don't think it would've done anything except reinforce her core beliefs. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if she were an oral sex fan! I'm not well-read as far as her work goes, but I'm fairly sure her problem wasn't with individuals' sex drives. (Although if anyone can refute/elaborate on this, feel free.)

I'll always remeber the book's argument that a gay porn book was offensive because (among other things) it "presents male-male sex as superior". Like, what else is it supposed to do?

As I said above:

"If Dworkin had managed to change laws, which IS what she campaigned for, then you'd be living in a very sorry society indeed. Hilariously, everything about ILX's "right on" psuedo left-leaning BS is proven exactly that - because Dworkin really stood for sexual regression."

But no one listens on ILX. As usual.

Yes! After rereading her stuff a few years ago, it reminded me a lot of dave q.

I like her more now than I did when when in college. I am rather saddened to hear about this.

"Iraq was way better than the West, it is where the first civlizations were. Separation of Chruch and State is different son. Pornography doens't have to do anything with that. It is clear: It is against women. In porn, women aren't paid that much either. They are treated worse than animals in porn. The guys make them do anything, very nasty things. And all the poor women get is money to go to college. I feel sorry for those women. I wish I could send everone of them to college."

GIVE THIS MAN A ROSE SOMEONE! HE FUNNY!

in any case, this speculation on her sex life is fucking pea brained, and that's a charitable interpretation (actually it could be seen as a bullying, nastly frat style attempt to discredit her and not have to think coherently about her ideas)

http://books.guardian.co.uk/departments/politicsphilosophyandsociety/story/0,6000,327399,00.html

http://dir.salon.com/books/feature/2000/09/20/dworkin/index.html

only if it's necessary for you to define "american" as that which you can comfortably loathe and mock. what was it whitman said about multitudes? perhaps america is that, too. but it wouldn't make as facile of a subject for a blog entry if it were!

seriously, momus, what so persistently bugs me about you is that you're smarter than this! you're engaging in reductionism quite wilfully... why?!?!

also momus: A talent for metaphor can be a dangerous thing.

indeed.

anyway, dworkin, yeah. i ignored her while she was alive so...

All I was saying there was that on a scale that runs from Puritan to Sensualist, America would be seen by most people in the world as at the Puritan end. (Perhaps not Americans, however. But you need to be outside America to see these sorts of perceptions. Google "Etats Unis puritaine" and you'll get a lot of results.) So a writer as sensual as Whitman would be a strange candidate to be "typically" or "archetypally" American", although that's what he gets called. I think Dworkin fits the bill much better, although I haven't seen her early writings, which apparently have some quite sexy scenes. She's like a politician who found that she could move her electorate with raw and emotive issues tied up with humiliation, fear and disgust. Some kind of Milosovic of the gender Balkans.