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given that it takes a while to empty a bus, you'd have time to pick up yr bag.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

Just out of interest, are any London-based people making special travel arrangements for Thursday? Planning to avoid public transport?

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

it's a possibility.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to work dressed up as a US rapper.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Which one, Tha Trademarc?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure there's stuff going on that the police aren't telling us about, vis a vis other terrorist cells

Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Just out of interest, are any London-based people making special travel arrangements for Thursday? Planning to avoid public transport?

Why would someone try to do something on the one day of the week people now expect something most to happen? Blufferama.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

it's to catch out those who thing lightling doesn't hit three times

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

have you got a cold?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Blufferama.

But it might be a double bluff, or a triple bluff. Anyway, I know I'd sure as hell be walking if I were in London on Thursday. It would be worth it just to avoid the Israelization of the network that's sure to be happening that day.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Superstition - nearly as bad as religion for dictating irrational behaviour!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone commented on the footage we saw on TV last Saturday of the arrests made in West London? It was amazing stuff, the masked armoured policeman trying to entice 'Mohammed' out of his flat - suddenly a shirtless boy peeks around the corner bizarrely not terrified by policeman with big dog saying 'go inside!' is then joined by another shirtless boy - there was even a brief glimpse of shirtless father. Afterwards they were talking to camera and the Dad grinning sheepishly looked and sounded almost stoned and unaware of the scale of it all, his kids also beaming while saying how 'scared' they were. Classic or mentalism?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Thursday's tubes are going to be very quiet, I'm sure.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

I'll be travelling exactly the way I always do.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

fully clothed and moving forwards eh? that's showin' em.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Martin - go to work unclothed. That way the terrorists won't know if they've won or lost and might thrown in the towel.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

walk backwards into freedom from terror

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

works for yer man in the Oval Office.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

the terrorists may at least throw Martin the towel, or whip him with it, high school locker room jinx style.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

If Sky News had live coverage of that, they could go pay-to-view.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Good way to entrap the enemy.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

This forum is obsessed with Martin in the nude.

Some people apparently jumped from the top deck of that bus.

Very heavy police presence this morning. I had to quickly decide whether it would be more suspicious to walk straight through a big group of them or to walk round them. I chose the former. So for a brief moment I was surrounded by BIG BUTCH MEN.

No reason not to use the tube tomorrow, unless instructed otherwise. Although thank you for alarming us, Momus.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:02 (twenty years ago)

The bus was deserted again this morning. I like it when the bus is deserted, it means I get to sit in comfort.

Masonic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone commented on the footage we saw on TV last Saturday of the arrests made in West London? It was amazing stuff, the masked armoured policeman trying to entice 'Mohammed' out of his flat - suddenly a shirtless boy peeks around the corner bizarrely not terrified by policeman with big dog saying 'go inside!' is then joined by another shirtless boy - there was even a brief glimpse of shirtless father. Afterwards they were talking to camera and the Dad grinning sheepishly looked and sounded almost stoned and unaware of the scale of it all, his kids also beaming while saying how 'scared' they were. Classic or mentalism?

wtf???

N_RQ, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

BBC News website speculates on Blair's retirement: "Commenting on the reports, a Downing Street spokesman said: "This issue is the last thing on the prime minister's mind. He is totally focused on the threat currently facing this country."

He's doing a really great job. The threat, which wasn't there at all when he took office, is getting bigger all the time. So big that when a spokesman means "The PM is getting on with his job" he says "The PM is focused on the threat".

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:31 (twenty years ago)

I wish that had read:

BBC News website speculates on Big Brother: "Commenting on the reports, a Downing Street spokesman said: "This issue is the last thing on the prime minister's mind. He is totally focused on the threat currently facing this country."

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure what point momus is making. who out there though tony blair could operate as a backbencher!? he's gladstone through and through.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

The threat, which wasn't there at all when he took office

I can hear the neoconical reptiloids howling from here

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

i love the new 'omg this is costing so much $$$' angle in the press. 'course it can't go on forever, but there have been curiously few articles about the cost of maintaining an army in iraq.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)

i'm not sure what point momus is making.

I'm making the point that "focusing on the threat" has now replaced "running Britain fairly and efficiently" as the raison d'etre of the government. And that "focusing on the threat" might well mean "creating the threat". Maybe the retired Blair can turn the EU or the UN into big "threat focus groups", devising new threats for us all to focus on?

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:55 (twenty years ago)

"running Britain fairly and efficiently"

Did they ever say that?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

"The PM is focused on the threat"

aren't they all on holiday for the whole of August?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005050000-2003410036,00.html

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:00 (twenty years ago)

since 2001 blair has pretty much abandoned domestic policy. there is a threat, momus, don't be a menk.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

i don't think Momus is denying that there is a threat.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

"Maybe the retired Blair can turn the EU or the UN into big "threat focus groups", devising new threats for us all to focus on?"

what's he implying here then?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

that it's 1984?

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't see what's so hard to understand, N_RQ. In countries like France and Germany there is currently no major terrorist threat from Islamists. That's because of the foreign policy of these countries: they did not participate in the Iraq War. Tony Blair put British citizens in the front line of George Bush's "international war on terror". It was a deliberate policy choice he made. Harold Wilson chose (very wisely) not to enter the Vietnam War. Blair could have followed suit. Because he didn't, indigenous 2nd gen Islamist Britons, previously peaceful, are turning into suicide bombers, Israelization is happening in Britain, and even Blair's spokesman is now forced to use phrases like "Tony Blair is focusing on the threat" when he means "business as usual".

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

Tories not at all desperate for ambulance-chasing votes

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)

David Davis is Kilroy and I claim my five pounds.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

Letter in today's Herald:

Responding to threat

CONFRONTED with the threat of ongoing terrorism, the security services and the police are both going to face enormous challenges. It therefore behoves the entire community to recognise the dangers and to accept that we may all suffer inconvenience because of the enhanced security that is now necessary. Nowhere is this more true than among the ethnic minorities within the United Kingdom, who are going to face proportionally more stop-and-search measures than the rest of the community.

Is this fair? The answer must be yes as there needs to be a recognition that resources are finite and therefore those resources must be targeted in the most efficient manner in order to protect the maximum number of people. As clearly the main threat is centred as coming from people from the ethnic minority population then nobody can complain when the security services and police concentrate, although not exclusively, on this section of the population.

This is not a new tactic as many Irish people living in London will confirm, having experienced the same tactics when the IRA atrocities were at their height some years ago.

I have already read complaints from some who think this is unfair but this is not correct as it is in the overwhelming interests of the entire community, irrespective of racial background, that this terrorism is successfully defeated as quickly as is possible. Nothing could do more harm to race relations in this country than for the indiscriminate bombing to continue, with the culprits being continually traced back as being of ethnic minority origin.

Already completely innocent and decent Asians are being viewed with suspicion and distrust because of the actions of a few extremists and although this is unfair on these people it is a natural and human reaction to the fear associated with these terrorist actions and will be impossible to halt if the bombings continue.

For those living within the UK illegally the dangers in running away from a police instruction to stop have already been demonstrated and again those people of minority ethnic origin who are living here as legal British citizens would be wise to co-operate with the authorities in identifying those who are living here illegally, as this is a growing problem and is also causing enormous resentment and damaging good race relations.

Although Britain is currently the centre of the terrorist debate, this is a worldwide problem, as the bombings in Egypt illustrate, and all governments face the problem of how best to face the threat. There are no simple answers and what is certain is that catching the terrorists will be difficult and will involve disruption and inconvenience for everyone.

Ia1n M Lawson, honorary consul in Scotland, Republic of Estonia, 27 B3n Lu1 Drive, Paisley.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

"We should learn lessons from abroad - from the United States, where pride in the nation's values is much more prevalent among minorities than here," Mr Davis said.

Wait, let me get this straight, because we had 7/7 we need to learn from... the country that had 9/11?

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Here's my redux remix of that letter:

CONFRONTED with...inconvenience...ethnic minorities...are clearly the main threat...police atrocities...at their height...is in the overwhelming interests of the entire community, irrespective of...terrorism...Nothing could do more harm to race relations in this country than...completely innocent and decent Asians...suspicion and distrust...is a natural and human reaction...the dangers in...police instruction...have already been demonstrated and again those people of minority ethnic origin who are living here as legal British citizens...is a growing problem and is also causing enormous resentment and damaging good race relations.

Although Britain is...simple...catching the terrorists...will involve...inconvenience.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

We're supposed to have values as a nation? (xpost)

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:36 (twenty years ago)

tikka massala and fish and chips, stevem

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:37 (twenty years ago)

good value at Somerfield

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

ok, momus, it's that simple: we invaded iraq, hence all this. what's your message for the egyptian government?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

and momus it's fkn ridiculous to compare the position of muslims in british society with that of palestinians in israel, wtf.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

not quite the same thing though is it. the difference is that countries in Africa, the Middle East and Asia DID have these problems prior to 9/11 because of what was seen as Western corruption on 'their' turf.

9/11 and the previous WTC bomb demonstrated that terrorists were clearly starting to take it to the source...but considering tube bombs could've happened at any time before or after 9/11 i don't think the UK was considered such a 'worthy target' until the Iraq occupation/it's aftermath (being the final straw) - one of the bombers having already effectively confirmed this (unless of course you assert that he is fibbing).

So the general 'no Iraq intervention = no London bombs' point still holds AS MUCH currency as the denial as this - you can't be any more sure of one than the other really, but to call it as to see it etc.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)

ok, momus, it's that simple: we invaded iraq, hence all this. what's your message for the egyptian government?

Are you getting your ideology straight from Jack Straw?

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:55 (twenty years ago)

personally i think isrealisation is a great word and frankly genius concept, and we should use it as often as possible.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)


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