ATTN: Copyeditors and Grammar Fiends

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The treatment for asthma and that for pulmonary disease are not identical.

jaymc, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

I r a medical editor. Therefore you must do as I say and use 'The treatments.'

xpost jaymc I love you but that is horrible.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

yes, esp as it also has to go in a callout.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

wait asthma IS a pulmonary disease!

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Sentence is too long. Consider simply going with "Fixin' lungs is tough."

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Asthma is treated differently than other pulmonary diseases.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

xpost jaymc I love you but that is horrible.

Well, if it were up to me, I'd probably use "treatments," but the good Dr. Morbius seemed like he wanted to avoid that.

jaymc, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

"The treatment for asthma is not identical to the treatment for pulmonary disease."

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

I shortened it, quincie; the other disease is actually COPD, but I didn't wnat to confuse the civilians...

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno. "The love I have for Berlin and for Paris are quite different."
You wouldn't want "loves" there, would you? The second love is simply understood without being written out.

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

Asthma and COPD are treated differently.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

DO I WIN OR WHAT?

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

no, I can't rewrite it that much. It's not my decision, I merely (feebly) suggest. Also the AMA stylebook NEVER has the example I'm looking for, ever!

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

my mom works with COPD patients!

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Zelda, that sentence is weird either way. That "are" is like a cyst on that sentence. Why wouldn't you say something like, "I love Berlin and Paris in different ways" or something? Also, active voice, because you're talking about yourself (not as easy with the COPD/Asthma sentence since the treater of diseases is mostly irrelevant to the sentence).

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

what about my suggestion morbius

s1ocki, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

I have no power over what the Krell -- I mean, my editor -- will decide. I've added an "s" query and moved on.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

I still think the original sentence with "treatments" instead of "treatment" doesn't read unclearly, btw, Morb.

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

xpost yay :)

Will M., Friday, 19 October 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

<i>Zelda, that sentence is weird either way.</i>

Yeah, I guess you're right!

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

You really have to query something as small as that? God, I'd go nuts.

quincie, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have to; I simply don't want to decide.

Dr Morbius, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

Morbius the Scrivener

jaymc, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha

Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 October 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

full stops at the end of bullet-pointed sentences, yay or nay?

Upt0eleven, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

I say nay, unless you have more than one sentence per bullet point.

Madchen, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

(I don't know why, other than it feels somehow right so somebody else will have to give you a proper answer).

Madchen, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

Tends to depend on style guide/consistency, with yes/no/only-last-one all possible.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 22 October 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

I think I would punctuate it as I would a sentence if I'd chosen to break up the thing with commas instead of bullet points, so if you have three partial ends to a sentence it could end:

+ like this, or
+ like that, or
+ like something else entirely.

ailsa, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

This is mostly because I like things to look nice and logical, not because I know lots about the "right" way of doing things.

ailsa, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

I hate it when people end them with 'or', 'and' or (worst of all) semicolons. We are sophisticated readers who understand how lists work.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

It makes me think of leaflets about social security benefits.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

i have thusly been fullstopping because i just think a full sentence should be fully punctuated but most places seem not to. i can't handle the conflict.

Upt0eleven, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

dos and don'ts
do's and don'ts
do's and don't's

?

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

First one. Though I'm pretty sure the second one is acceptable as well.

ailsa, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

I agree, but "dos" still somehow looks a bit wrong...

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

I remember asking somewhere else about the expression fair dos/fair does/fair do's and being told the former and latter were both acceptable as a pluralisation of do. Don't like it much though.

ailsa, Monday, 22 October 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

ooh can you do former/latter with a triple option? is the 2nd a... middler?

r|t|c, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Probably not, heh, I am keeping this thread on its toes and reminding you all that I am just an amateur pedant so my advice is not to be taken seriously.

ailsa, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

google tells me it shouldn't be used formally, but is used conversationally as it still conveys what is meant fairly clearly.

ailsa, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Re the plural of BBS:

An article just landed on my desk that uses the abbreviation SNS (social networking site) and its plural SNSs. I'm going to query it.

jaymc, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

Do's appears in many dictionaries as an independent word, because dos and don'ts may look suspiciously like Spanglish for "two and don'ts."

Thus: do's and don'ts

(You can trust me, because I got totally burned on trying to "correct" that a couple years back.)

nabisco, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

sort of a follow-up on my question about outsourcing copyediting.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

I thought it was "do's and don't's"? Looks kind of retarded, sure.

Laurel, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)

it would never, ever, ever be "do's and don't's". ever. in any possible universe.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

I thought whatsherface from the shoots and leaves book had said it was? But my copy is at home. Anyway, I was checking b/c we publish a book by that title and it gets done all different ways in the systems.

Laurel, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

I thought whatsherface from the shoots and leaves book had said it was?

if she did (and i doubt it), she's an even bigger cock-end than i think she is.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 22 October 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

I think the apostrophe in do's is a special case, for clarity/disambiguation -- there is no reason to do the same for don'ts, which perfectly clear in its natural no-apostrophe plural.

nabisco, Monday, 22 October 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

it would never, ever, ever be "do's and don't's". ever. in any possible universe.

What about that universe of yours where 2+2 != 4?

stet, Monday, 22 October 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

hah, i was discussing that with F on saturday, believe it or not.

but no, not even in that one.

grimly fiendish, Monday, 22 October 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)


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