this fucking movie.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 December 2009 19:47 (sixteen years ago)
Clooney's main trespass in the movie is cutting his family out, not his singlehood.
They're sort of equated, but the matelessness gets way more attention: Kendrick hectors him about it, and the whole punchline of Farmiga's character points to the black hole in his soul.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 December 2009 19:51 (sixteen years ago)
The last forty minutes are so condescending and soul-sucking that I almost threw my cellphone at the screen.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 December 2009 19:54 (sixteen years ago)
I was very confused by the Fresh Air interview with Reitman when he said he was people kept telling him that after being laid off, they felt they lacked purpose in life. Call me shallow, but my complaint with unemployment isn't that I'm bored or directionless, it's just that I'm broke. That's all, really. That's the only reason I even remotely WANT a job. I fucking hate jobs.
i heard this bullshit, too and i kinda wanted to reach through my speaker and throttle this dude. anyway, Kenan otm. seriously, if you need some workaday bullshit job lining the pockets of people who could give two shits about you (& let's face it, that's got to be about 97% of everybody ever) to have a "sense of purpose" well, son, that's pathetic.
― you want a war on christmas i'll give you a fuckin war on christmas (will), Friday, 18 December 2009 19:57 (sixteen years ago)
I liked how suddenly the firee was a 'real actor' as soon as some Phony Themes needed to be sounded (ie, the JK Simmons scene, the weeping Detroit guy).
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 December 2009 19:59 (sixteen years ago)
i mean you should just go join a church full of assholes ffs. oh, wait...
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― you want a war on christmas i'll give you a fuckin war on christmas (will), Friday, 18 December 2009 20:00 (sixteen years ago)
also heard the interview, the "sense of purpose" stuff was condescending bullshit but there is some psychological value to the 9-5 gig aside from the paycheck.
― bnw, Friday, 18 December 2009 20:08 (sixteen years ago)
i'm sure jason reitman knows full well the struggle of people without a solid foothold trying to make it in a difficult business
― you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Friday, 18 December 2009 20:10 (sixteen years ago)
(can you tell i'm having an A+ day at work?) x-post
― you want a war on christmas i'll give you a fuckin war on christmas (will), Friday, 18 December 2009 20:11 (sixteen years ago)
tbh based on this film (I skipped his first two) he has the slick bullshit down pat regardless of dad's name
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 December 2009 20:12 (sixteen years ago)
'thank you for smoking' had some ok bits but it was smug in this bullshit libertarian way, and 'juno' was better than i expected but still kinda useless imo
― you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Friday, 18 December 2009 20:14 (sixteen years ago)
tom carson loved this (and hated juno and smoking) and that's good enuf for me
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 18 December 2009 20:26 (sixteen years ago)
this movie sucked pretty hard
― that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 18 December 2009 20:30 (sixteen years ago)
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― akira goldsman (s1ocki), Friday, 18 December 2009 21:31 (sixteen years ago)
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― akira goldsman (s1ocki), Friday, 18 December 2009 21:41 (sixteen years ago)
this movie was borderline condescending and also had really predictable plot developments and one-dimensional characters
― stupid fruity crazy jag (J0rdan S.), Friday, 25 December 2009 19:59 (sixteen years ago)
it wasn't as bad as 'away we go' at least...
Really hated this.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Friday, 25 December 2009 20:03 (sixteen years ago)
"just SOMEONE WHO'S LOST"
I groaned very audibly at this.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Friday, 25 December 2009 20:05 (sixteen years ago)
more like laudably
― reagan & sarah (s1ocki), Saturday, 26 December 2009 17:32 (sixteen years ago)
Criticisms here well-taken but I gotta say this was still in the 90th percentile of movies. "Someone who's lost" -- I agree this is a bad line but that's why you hire good actors! She sold it. Lots of good small things in this movie. Excellent sound work in early scene where Clooney zips his suitcase a lot. Strange and totally successful moment of Lynch-like hyperrealism when the chief pilot sits beside Clooney. His mustache should be nominated for best supporting actor.
Also of course the point of the "someone who's lost" scene (or this scene combined with what follows) is the exact opposite of the "all must succumb to pair bonding to be fulfilled" message Morbs identifies -- that is there, but this scene complicates it. No one in the movie actually LIVES the monogamous pair-bonded life except potentially Clooney's youngest sister -- and that couple is clearly set up for ruin by the movie (otherwise why take the time to detail fiance's sinking of life savings into doomed real estate scheme?) If anything the take-home message of the movie is "nobody has a perfect fulfilling pair-bonded life, you just muddle through and try to find out what works for you" -- which for Alex is nice house in the city + mess-around on the side, and for Clooney is the ungrounded life he's established for himself, and to which he returns at the end of the movie, for good.
I also liked the less complicated and unabashedly pro-pair-bonding "Away We Go," by the way, and agree it's appropriate to compare these two movies.
Maybe also "Up in the Air" against "Broken Flowers," a somewhat similar but much worse movie. Clooney is able to DO something while he's looking out the window at nothing; Murray just looks empty.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 26 December 2009 19:23 (sixteen years ago)
Clooney is able to DO something while he's looking out the window at nothing; Murray just looks empty.
I have become a Clooney convert. He knows how to put himself in front of a camera and fill up a scene. Reminds me of Cary Grant in that way.
― Aimless, Saturday, 26 December 2009 19:35 (sixteen years ago)
Clooney is fine in it. The acting is certainly not this movie's problem.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Saturday, 26 December 2009 19:49 (sixteen years ago)
I don't remember Broken Flowers having a moral stench.
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 December 2009 22:05 (sixteen years ago)
Nothing out there is any good this year, so a halfway winning film about semi-recognizable adults is being oversold as Sturges 2.0.... tarted up with inexcusably mawkish, Laurent Cantet-for-the-USA Today-set inserts of "real" people (not actors!) addressing the camera and describing their emotions following the loss of their jobs due to downsizing. This spray-on gravitas is preposterous, not just because it's so clearly phoned in, but more importantly because these "real people" are there not to complicate The Ryan Bingham Story (what an actual art film would do with, you know, extra-diegetic nonfictional material), but to cement its home-and-hearth trajectory as American gospel.
http://academichack.net/reviewsDecember2009.htm
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 December 2009 22:36 (sixteen years ago)
Hey Morbs, I checked out 35 Rhums on your rec and it was really good. Thanks!
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Saturday, 26 December 2009 22:36 (sixteen years ago)
glad!
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 December 2009 22:38 (sixteen years ago)
yeah i thought the use of REAL FIRED PEOPLE was pretty disgusting
― stupid fruity crazy jag (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 26 December 2009 22:53 (sixteen years ago)
This fucking movie. Only the Academy would consider Anna Kendricks' kewpie doll performance nomination worthy.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 December 2009 22:58 (sixteen years ago)
The real fired people really add a dollop of meaning to the story of this rootless guy who wishes he had someone to go steady with.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Saturday, 26 December 2009 23:04 (sixteen years ago)
I almost talked to this panhandler I saw a couple of blocks from my hood because I wanted to feel better about my shitty life.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 December 2009 23:06 (sixteen years ago)
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Saturday, December 26, 2009 5:36 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i agree with this dude but "laurence-cantet-for-the-usa-today-set" is a terrible turn of phrase. also, come on. it's annie hall/reds he's obviously going for.
― reagan & sarah (s1ocki), Saturday, 26 December 2009 23:10 (sixteen years ago)
(by which i mean reitman is going for)
― reagan & sarah (s1ocki), Saturday, 26 December 2009 23:11 (sixteen years ago)
Read that whole Academic Hack review! Speaking as a guy who liked this much more than he did, I thought it was great. Except:
"his gradual abandonment of a philosophy of selfish isolation in favor of family and connection -- i.e., switching from being a perpetual traveler to forging a "home""
strangely ignores protagonist's final-reel realization that up in the air, without family or connection, really IS where he belongs!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 27 December 2009 01:30 (sixteen years ago)
Re the "real fired people" -- in the context of the movie, though, these guys don't play as real people at all, but as actors. It never occurred to me they weren't actors until people in this thread said so. So I think this is something to hold against the movie's PR campaign, not the movie itself, in which these characters are presented as no more "real" than Clooney himself.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 27 December 2009 01:32 (sixteen years ago)
Wait, so they took interviews with flesh and blood people who have gone through some difficulties in the last year and inserted their stories in the end credits? Am I getting this right?
― Cunga, Sunday, 27 December 2009 02:21 (sixteen years ago)
I didn't read the ending that way at all. I thought he was considering Natalie's (?) idea that he should just use his miles to fly somewhere cool and actually enjoy it and maybe grow some roots, instead of living in a world of airports, hotels, and trade shows. But anyway, whatever the ending is, I think there's some ambiguity there. But clearly he's sick of being perpetually airborne, and I think his conversation with the pilot speaks to that.
― real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Sunday, 27 December 2009 02:36 (sixteen years ago)
I've seen plenty of press about the 'real ppl' interviews (start and finish, and a few in the middle) all over the place.
s1ocki, "laurence-cantet-for-the-usa-today-set" is my favorite line in that!
― Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 27 December 2009 06:50 (sixteen years ago)
watching reitman on charlie rose, hes really hard for me to even listen to
if i ever see this it will be a few years from now on tnt
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 23:29 (sixteen years ago)
Couldn't stand this predictable, trite, perpetually annoying film, but JK Simmons is pretty much always great though. I wish the movie had been about his character.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 23:33 (sixteen years ago)
Well, George Clooney would have shot him.
― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 23:38 (sixteen years ago)
“New York Magazine: Jason, after just three films you’re already polarizing critics. For example, Armond White of the New York Press opened his Up in the Air review with: “Jason Reitman’s movies come in three forms: Rubbish (Thank You for Smoking), Crap (Juno), and Swill (Up in the Air).”Jason: [Laughs.] That’s a good one.
New York Magazine: My editor wanted me to get your reaction to that.
Jason: Did your editor also suggest you tell me I’m extraordinarily pale and Jewy-looking and I should lose some weight? [Laughs.] What was the name of the guy who wrote that?
New York Magazine: Armond White.
Jason: Well, I don’t think he’s going to like my fourth film any better. My films are polarizing. I don’t want to tell my audience what to think. Thank You for Smoking—liberals thought it was theirs and conservatives thought it was theirs. And pro-lifers thought Juno was theirs and pro-choicers thought it was theirs. Up in the Air has a similar divide, depending on what people think the ending of the movie means. I would be curious to hear what Armond thinks of The Insider, a film that goes [slams down fist]: “Smoking bad! Tobacco people bad!” And for me that’s so boring. But, look, for some that’s the experience they want and those movies exist for them. I want people to talk.”
― who sharted?! (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 05:43 (sixteen years ago)
hahaha
― AAAAAAH YAH ITS FUSION (Lamp), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 05:57 (sixteen years ago)
dude is high on his own supply imo
― who sharted?! (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 06:03 (sixteen years ago)
it's a cute line except that a.) it's laurent b.) cantet doesn't rhyme with set and c.) there really is no such thing as "the usa today set," which is kind of the point of usa today.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 06:09 (sixteen years ago)
(ok i just went back to the original and see he got laurent right. still.)
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 06:10 (sixteen years ago)
also like i said above dude is clearly going for reds/annie hall, not laurent cantet.
― who sharted?! (s1ocki), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 06:10 (sixteen years ago)
i haven't even seen this yet so i don't know, but yeah it's pretty hard for me to imagine jason reitman going for laurent cantet.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 06:11 (sixteen years ago)
But anyway, whatever the ending is, I think there's some ambiguity there. But clearly he's sick of being perpetually airborne, and I think his conversation with the pilot speaks to that.
to me the ending was that he realizes he's sick of it but that he missed his chance to do anything about it. I guess him picking his own destination off the board was sorta "hopeful" but it still seemed like a downer ending to me. in a good way
― dmr, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 07:06 (sixteen years ago)
Young Adult is really a pretty loathsome movie
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 30, 2012
Shakey not otm. One of the decade's best, certainly Reitman's best.
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2025 13:52 (one year ago)