Mulholland Drive

It felt unfinished to me, what can I tell you.

i liked ludivine sagnier's boobs

yeah she was totally hot and mesmerizing.

yah

"Were it not for David Lynch," Cyrus asserts, "Miley would never have been Hannah Montana."

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was looking for something else & found my ticket stub from seeing this -http://oi42.tinypic.com/33bob6e.jpg

lol fuk

Woah, I just watched this for the very first time last night. What can this mean?

My wife and I watched this together right before it went off netflix. It was pretty much our first artsy movie together, I think. Usually we watch Kung fu movies or comedies when the kids aren't monopolizing the tv. She was so pissed off at me.

ha ha!

Came here with some half-thoughts about mulholland drive, now just want to talk about how bad swimming pool is.

But maybe there's something in that juxtaposition of two films which you might categorise as 'films with sex in them'.

The Lynch film doesn't pretend not to be soft porn in its soft porn parts, whereas swimming pool spent most of its time trying to convince you that it was worthy and artistic or something.

Mulholland is also as scary and unsettling as anything Lynch has ever done, whereas swimming pool is just creepy in ways it doesn't intend. The teenage girl's character was very obviously written by a man for a male audience.

Mulholland also continued Lynch's thing of looking at the - well, I'm not going to say 'seedy underbelly of Puritan America', but you know what I mean, using the idea of the proper and the improper, a sympathy with both the nice sunny world and the dark forbidden world. Whereas swimming pool was pushing a strained 'Look, here in France we are sexy and do not care!' sensibility which by now is pretty much its own white picket fence.

And look how MD uses the conventions of Hollywood, noir, and Americana and makes them into something that frightens you, whereas SP claims to be Artistic European Cinema and ends up boring you.

Dunno. This is all tentative and I'm aware that people here know Lynch better than I do.

Blu-ray on Criterion in October

http://www.criterion.com/films/28050-mulholland-dr

*faints*

Would be happier if not for the region-locking.

It would be cool if they included the 'pilot' cut in the extras

this is so cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh6JtllRkPQ

interesting to go back and see so little enthusiasm for this when it came out. this is widely now considered one of the best films since 2000, and Lynch's second best film after Blue Velvet. no?

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taking sides

yeah it is weird, also strange that there's comparatively little press or promo for this. No talkshows iirc, total opposite of Lost Highway media blitz. Don't know why.

Lynch was on Leno when Mulholland Drive came out in 2001

I seem to remember MD was pretty big at the time. It got a swag of awards and nominations. My memory is that it came at a time when Lynch's reputation had tapered off somewhat, and this put him right back on the pedestal.

The media consensus was that Lynch had lost his way. I think the expectation after Lost Highway was that he would go on making critically divisive, minor cult films. People had also largely heard that MD was a rejected TV pilot with some new footage tacked on. This was one of those unexpected comebacks that has a hell of an impact.

this is widely now considered one of the best films since 2000, and Lynch's second best film after Blue Velvet. no?

Try best.

And it won the NYFCC's best film award, along with iirc the Village Voice critics poll.

eric OTM

yes

"So little enthusiasm" -- wha??

Naomi Watts even got faint Oscar buzz

so little enthusiasm in this thread, i think they meant

yes, I meant this thread

Mulholland Drive came out when ILX was down and all the discus was on the Sandbox iirc

yah we were goin nutz for it i saw it like 5 times in the theater

there's a couple of copies of ilx.thehold.net and sandbox.thehold.net on archive.org but I can't find that discussion I think

i saw this in the theater when it came out, it was amazing, and i was on ILX at the time, but didnt really bother posting here. don't take the lack of posts for a lack of enthusiasm me and my friends drove around the parking lot afterwards screaming with joy.

i saw it when it came out and immediately stabbed my eyes out so i would never see another movie ever again

....naido?

NA eyed 0

Holy shit lynch is a genius

lol

it was right there, staring us all in the face for all these years

this explains the lack of posts. you can't see what you are writing when you have no eyes

When I first saw his movie, I immediately started it over and watched it again.

I watched it on two screens simultaneously

seeing this in a theater that looks just like Silencio earlier this year was one of the best moviegoing experiences i've ever had

Yeah I have vivid memories of seeing an advance free screening of this on my college campus. Was stunned by how great it was. When the cowboy gave his "You will see me one more time if you do good; you will see me two more times if you do bad" bite I remember laughing at how clever it was. The rest of the movie the audience gasped whenever he appeared on screen. This is Lynch's most entertaining movie by a mile.

I don't know how to objectively measure "most acclaimed," but here MD is 64th, Blue Velvet 77th.

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films.htm

i always thought The Elephant Man was his mainstream claim to fame but on that list it's at 464. i need to rewatch it, i remember seeing it when i lived in this house with SCAD video artists and really liking it.

Mulholland Drive was just an endless series of crazy events. it felt like someone had observed a random movie or television scene while going through an out of body experience. perhaps how an alien would replicate the human drama, only it was purposefully sending up the formalisms that tend to be taken for granted. it was thrilling to watch.

holy shit! what was with that crazy bluescreen swing scene? we lol'd almost immediately at that and the super grinny old folks with Naomi Watts as she arrives at this weird artificial California. when they are in the limo it's so comically grotesque. we almost fell out of the chairs when Billy Ray Cyrus showed up. that casting! wtf? this was years before Miley, years before his ironic cultural resurgence, years past being a Weird Al joke. David Lynch wrote him the perfect character. same with the cowboy, who apparently wasn't an actor, and who couldn't remember his lines. they had to write them on notecards and tape them to Jon Favreau's face for him to do the scene and he did it perfectly. when he shows up, i was like, what the literal fuck? that was this movie endlessly. Club Silencio -- it is all a tape! the hand signals and the trumpets!

much like the new Twin Peaks it was a lot of scenes that may not necessarily narratively connect but for sure are connected through symbols and the artistic language of emotions through more abstract forms such as lighting, colors, themes, motifs, dialog repetition, etc. i am glad to see he has gotten the opportunity to work with Naomi again! it is extra poignant when you consider Mulholland Drive was conceived at one point as a Twin Peaks spinoff.

lol when the cowboy shows up. WTF. ROTFLITMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stnhrOj6p8

this is really cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HytOc0KxFGU

Location trail
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/features/mulholland-drive-david-lynch-locations

wow, had no idea that Diane's apartment was in the Snow White cottages. that Elliott Smith connection is nuts, yeah he spent a lot of time there in the last years of his life, sadly living very similarly to Diane, productive but completely cracked out and losing it...

In 2001 I read Salon several times a day, and they published one of those MD guides that helped.

this? https://www.salon.com/2001/10/24/mulholland_drive_analysis/

perhaps you also read the letters from readers offering their own reactions and theories, featuring me and erstwhile ilxor kenan.

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lol

amazing

What was that first take like for you? It’s a jump scare for the audience.
It was kind of a jump scare for me. It was like, Oh, shit. In person, she looked remarkable. It was scary and odd and creepy. In that whole scene, even the walk, the dread just came to me. I can feel it in my chest right now talking to you. I’m not that kind of actor.

I remember getting the DVD that had the "10 hints from David Lynch" or w/e in the booklet, which iirc were remarkably specific and unlocked things pretty tidily. At the time I remember being shocked that Lynch would stoop to explaining things like that.

That salon piece was huge for me

cinematic scud missile of 1997

inland empire >>> mulholland dr.

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― mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 22:36 (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

rewatched this last night, haven't much changed my opinion tbh -- MD has terrific individual scenes but it's like someone v carefuly watched twin peaks 1-3 and thought "i can do that" only they couldn't

Mulholland Drive feels pretty disjointed through the first act because it's putting up a bunch of scenes that were clearly meant to introduce plots in the TV show that never go anywhere in the film. However, the sequence of scenes from the Cowboy until the Silencio club is pure movie magic.

My pet theory about Twin Peaks s3 is that a lot of the Dougie stuff, the memory loss, the gangsters, is repurposed from ideas originally intended for Mulholland Drive.

rewatched this last night, haven't much changed my opinion tbh -- MD has terrific individual scenes but it's like someone v carefuly watched twin peaks 1-3 and thought "i can do that" only they couldn't

― mark s, Wednesday, March 5, 2025 9:49 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no way absolutely not

fwwm was my favorite lynch film for like a decade but i rewatched this the other week and folks... it's his best

inland empire, and i always end up regretting any strong opinion on lynch, doesn't in any way support a watch. convolution is the point, i think its genuinely the one where i think he doesn't manage to carry even the vibe/feeling through strongly enough to help even the deducated true believer construct their own fable.

mulholland drive far better tbh

some truly insane opinions in this thread maybe instead of watching david lynch films people should consider looking in a damn mirror

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ivy otm, Mulholland is his masterpiece.

i'm very glad i was able to see it "fresh" before i knew about the backstory with the pilot & cancelled series, its hard to un-know that once you know it and ofc you can see some of the stiches & seams. but at this point i actually think that adds rather than detracts from it. its like you see him spending all this time carefully setting up all these dominos, but then instead of tipping them he shoves you into a dumpster behind Winkies.

some truly insane opinions in this thread maybe instead of watching david lynch films people should consider looking in a damn mirror

― lag∞n, Wednesday, March 5, 2025

You're too busy being a smart aleck to be thinkin'. Now I want ya to think and quit bein' such a smart aleck. Can ya do that for me?

Lynch definitely draws on prior work to synthesize new ideas and plots, but mark accidentally implying Mulholland Drive draws from Twin Peaks s3 and not vice versa is silly

The stray threads are fine in MD. There’s a bigger world at first and then it starts collapsing into itself.

bit confused by how someone can be accused of being incapable of making a piece of work they already made, or plagiarising something they made fifteen years later to make it

obv David Lynch was a Time Lord

Ask john fogerty xp

wait so lynch spends years documenting the nature of time with its knots and whorls and then when i apply his research to his own work i'm suddenly "silly"

well, you also dislike JFK.

I like this film but I’m not gonna pretend I don’t know what “it’s like” means

Just saw it for the first time … nothing especially profound to say about it except that the Club Silencio scenes were … I mean, why was I so affected by watching two actresses cry during the (astounding) Rebekah del Rio song? And Betty shaking uncontrollably … Twin Peaks has electricity, this move just has street lights, set lights, orgasm.

(that shot of Diane at the party with the ridiculous bokeh - something about her vulnerability, while she’s surrounded by … spirits? Or maybe just glamour. But I prefer to think it’s friendly spirits she’s unaware of.)

Incredible movie, the smoke, the blue, the guilt, Dianne lying dead on her bed in her own dream/reality, getting what she wants from Rita

I need to give Inland Empire another go. I basically completely agree with Deems' assessment above, but watching this again has got me feeling maybe it was a me problem.

I have a perhaps-fringe opinion that FWWM theatrical is a sub-par film but my recent viewing of a fan edit (Blue Rose) is a contender for one of the best films ever made

S3 is Lynch’s masterpiece imo and Mulholland Drive is his best no-caveats theatrical work

I love Lost Highway more than most and dislike Wild At Heart more than most. I’m going to rewatch Inland Empire this week

It’s funny, having rewatched the entire Twin Peaks thing this year, and finished it, there’s a veneer of dissatisfaction when viewing anything else, it all feels so comparatively unsatisfying

My biggest revelation in the rewatch was that Angelo’s score for FWWM (mostly the first third) is some of the best music imaginable

otm

"S3 is Lynch’s masterpiece imo and Mulholland Drive is his best no-caveats theatrical work"

agreed

i must catch blue rose edit

same.

fgti, your post triggered a jagged memory of FWWM, i posted it on that thread for continuity sake.

In hindsight, one reason why I like the final season of Twin Peaks so much is that so many of the stranded and unsatisfying elements from Fire Walk with Me and the abrupt end that was the second season now find their place in relation to each other and are taken to fruition. There's still a lot of plot still left on the table, but not in a way that leaves the show feeling "unfinished." That was always the disappointment of finishing the original two-season run when I saw it back in the '00s, a couple of years before the DVD's happened when nobody was talking about Twin Peaks anymore, at least anyone within my social scope at the time. It felt like a sad ending to a brilliant pop phenomenon, one that quickly fell apart and was left twisting in the wind. Not in a million years would I have guessed Lynch would get carte blanche to do a third and final season - it really is a gift.

Lot of David Lynch-loving cinephiles waking up to this gift this morning. Thank you, #EverybodysLive! I fell off my chair. pic.twitter.com/b3E6AGStSP

— Courtney Howard (@Lulamaybelle) April 17, 2025

I've declined the opportunity to see Mulholland Drive in the theater now the last two times it's come up this year in my city; once shortly after Lynch's death and then once as part of a greater Lynch retrospective. The thing of it is that I'd already seen it in theaters a couple times already in the relatively recent past plus a couple more times at home, and while "no hay banda" and "silencio" had me very shook and impressed once I came up with an interpretation of them that worked for me, going back to MD now after seeing it four times in four years felt a little bit like work, whereas I'm planning on going to see Inland Empire in the theater on Monday precisely because I've never had a satisfactory viewing experience with it trying to watch it at home. Does that make sense? MD is a great film and I love it, and yet I've just avoided seeing it in the best way possible now, twice?

sure. there are films I’d count among the best I’ve seen that I have no plans to watch again, and others I’d watch any time. if you become too familiar with something, elements that were shocking or impactful can become expected

I caught Inland Empire and The Elephant Man at my theatre's retrospective, but the time didn't seem ripe for most of the others. Lynch is one whose films I don't really want to see more than maybe once a decade.

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