― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link
I remember sitting infront of a father who brought his FIVE YEAR OLD SON to "Natural Born Killers". WHAT PART OF THE TITLE, "NATURAL BORN KILLERS", MADE YOU THINK THIS FILM WAS SUITABLE FOR YOUR FIVE-YEAR OLD?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:52 (nineteen years ago) link
The ads for "Aliens" claim that this movie will frighten you as few movies have, and, for once, the ads don't lie. The movie is so intense that it creates a problem for me as a reviewer: Do I praise its craftsmanship, or do I tell you it left me feeling wrung out and unhappy?It has been a week since I saw it, so the emotions have faded a little, leaving with me an appreciation of the movie's technical qualities. But when I walked out of the theater, there were knots in my stomach from the film's roller-coaster ride of violence. This is not the kind of movie where it means anything to say you "enjoyed" it. .. I don't know how else to describe this: The movie made me feel bad. It filled me with feelings of unease and disquiet and anxiety. I walked outside and I didn't want to talk to anyone. I was drained. I'm not sure "Aliens" is what we mean by entertainment. Yet I have to be accurate about this movie: It is a superb example of filmmaking craft.
It has been a week since I saw it, so the emotions have faded a little, leaving with me an appreciation of the movie's technical qualities. But when I walked out of the theater, there were knots in my stomach from the film's roller-coaster ride of violence. This is not the kind of movie where it means anything to say you "enjoyed" it. ..
I don't know how else to describe this: The movie made me feel bad. It filled me with feelings of unease and disquiet and anxiety. I walked outside and I didn't want to talk to anyone. I was drained. I'm not sure "Aliens" is what we mean by entertainment. Yet I have to be accurate about this movie: It is a superb example of filmmaking craft.
If it does this to a man who has seen 20,000 movies, what will it do to the average filmgoer? Or to CHILDREN?
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link
Which made these (released prior to the second film) even more mysterious:
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I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused. You still seem to be saying that the first Alien movie was "not for everyone," because... it's horror by genre? And the second one was more for... fun? The second movie is scarier and more traumatizing in many ways.
The first film was more of a classic horror film written with a degree of sophistication and unflinching, realistic gore (relatively speaking) that was inarguably not child friendly. The second one, though still violent and gorey, reads more like a western shoot'em up. It's not exactly Spongbob Squarepants but it's easier on the sense than the first one.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 05:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:04 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.filmfodder.com/movies/reviews/alien/images/alien.jpg
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't think this is a particularly good argument, but I must pause to say that I like the first film better, easily. I like the pacing and the dialogue better. I like the tone better. I just don't think that that's a good jumping-off point to argue that the second film is bad.
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link
If it does this to a man who has seen 20,000 movies, what will it do to the average filmgoer?
Answer: thrill the shit out of them.
― Harold Media (kenan), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:50 (nineteen years ago) link
(also, Newt was traumatised,FFS. What were you expecting, Alex, some nice, likeable, well-adjusted kid? Of course she wasn't fucking likeable...)
― David A. (Davant), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― David A. (Davant), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― David A. (Davant), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:59 (nineteen years ago) link
The actress who plays vasquez, I forget what she's called, she was in "near dark" and IIRC terminator 2 as well? K-ROWR!!!
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 20 August 2004 07:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link
foolish elvens.
― g-kit (g-kit), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Friday, 20 August 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link
you can't say that thats a cliche can you?
The trouble is films since Aliens have robbed it to fuck and now admittedly watching it again it some parts seem cliched but you have to realise it was unique at the time and was, and remains to be, an absoloute classic
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway:Alien: claustrophobic atmosphere, good script, suspense, nasty shocks, superb design
Aliens: Suspense, nasty shocks, superb design and GUNS GUNS GUNS! LOTSA GUNS!
I declare a tie.
― robster (robster), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:09 (nineteen years ago) link
Alien 3 is underrated, by the way.
― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link
haha xpost
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link
Alien: haven't seen it! wtfAliens: That's the clumsiest exoskeleton I've ever seen, HOMO SNAPIES U HAVE NO CHANCE 2 SURVIVE MAKE UR TIME, also kind of an injustice to the Aliens that they keep getting killed so easily, yes I understand the guns are big but seriously people, this is the most dangerous species in the galaxy, they don't need numbers to winAlien 3: I have tried to watch this like 5 times and have been unable to figure out what is going on enough to bother sitting through the giger cave bukkakeAlien Resurrection: Am I the only person who thinks this would have been better standalone, without trying to tie in to the Alien franchise? Ron Perlman!!! Whoop
― TOMBOT, Friday, 20 August 2004 14:09 (nineteen years ago) link
Heavens! This is the best of the lot.
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 20 August 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Cathy (Cathy), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
OTM.
i can't really participate in this thread objectively, as i'm an alien/aliens obsessive. but Alex, you ARE SO FUCKING WRONG!
ripley's character "humorless and wooden"? echhh. she is traumatized, she narrowly escaped being killed by a space monster. she is the only one who realizes how much of a threat the alien really represents, and she is exasperated by the marines and the company's incompetence. to her this is serious shit, the stakes are just too high if the aliens spread. and i think sigourney weaver nails this perfectly.
newt annoying? i've always thought that newt was one of the least annoying child characters in a movie like this. she doesn't even have that many lines!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
btw everybody I saw Sigourney at the Belmont last year and she's still SUPREMELY BEAUTIFUL at like 56 or whatever.
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link
No I'm not, actually. You're just a fanboy in denial.
she doesn't even have that many lines!
One doesn't need lots of lines to be annoying.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link
why did i become a fanboy in the first place then, hmm?
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link