marketing of masculinity

Kind of? Then again, remember the pic you posted of you having to tie a friend's tie? See, he should know how to do that.

i feel dumb when i don't know how to do something

And not to get way Fight Club or anything, but there are a lot of fatherless men out there who didn't exactly take up the mantle of "man of the house.'

Myself very much among them.

it's more like "you've been judged and found wanting, human being"

can change a tire, can't tie a tie

and I'm fully ok w/ that b/c ties are constricting in the neckal area

can barely do either one, myself. didn't know how to tie a tie until i was like 28? 29?

the idea that i should know how to split logs for firewood or hang drywall just because i have a dick AND that my masculinity should be called into question for wanting that knowledge is just weird -- i can learn how if and when the need arises!

learn how to tie a tie ffs

its like really easy

it has nothing to do with your dick elmo

well splitting logs can, but it's really difficult

Huh. Maybe my Christian-y childhood came in handy in this one way. When I got old enough that a clip-on became unseemly, Dad showed me the standard half-Windsor, and now it's like tying my shoes.

tieing, even

Splitting logs for firewood is actually rather fun. From what I've heard, hanging drywall is less so.

Linden Avenue Stomp

yeah it's sounds kinda. . .hard

Yeah seriously - the drywall in my apartment is already hung, and using firewood here would be a bit dangerous.

wait

never mind

i can learn how if and when the need arises!

Okay first of all YES YOU CAN, because you're open to the idea that you will be ABLE to do those things if you have to. Some people have already resolved to themselves that they will never be able to, so they won't.

But sometimes when the need arises it's kind of too late to learn? Dry-walling isn't really an emergency activity obv although it's less cool if you do it wrong the first 3 times and have to re-do it while your domestic partner watches spackle dry...but the willingness to do so is a v useful, commendable trait, imo. But like changing a tire at night in the rain or tying a tie when you're nervous and already late for something....these are not when you want to be "learning" things.

already ignored, don't worry

re: splitting logs.. why would one need to learn how to chop something in half... i mean, it's quite hard to not know what you need to do???

that was meant to be with dan's post. anyway, i think learning news things, all the time, is useful as a human being, and it's also something you're supposed to do. hanging drywall could come in handy sometime, but if it's not for you no big deal right?

i just made my first pie crust from scratch--totally awesome experience, will do it again. has nothing to do with my masculinity/femininity, it has everything to do with trying to be a good huan being

human

Protip: if you ever need logs split, ken, please ask someone else to do it for you. If you like having 4 limbs, that is.

we should be tearing down walls not building them fyi

definitely would take the protip and not cut my limb off.

knowing how to hang drywall is one of those things that is awesome and will save you a ton of $ if you want to re-do a room in your house or something like that, however the learning part suuucccccks

splitting is rly fun/easy if you have one of these

http://www.gvfarmmachinery.com.au/images/saleitems/implements/log500g.jpg

here u go im teaching u how to be a man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR4wfHw7Meo

easy beginner knot

que i am with you 100% about skill acquisition but on the topic of the thread, these list books are presenting these as gendered skills without which, well, you're just not manifesting your true manhood

btw is hanging drywall really on one of those lists - seems more like something every builder should know

i just made my first pie crust from scratch--totally awesome experience, will do it again. has nothing to do with my masculinity/femininity, it has everything to do with trying to be a good huan being

Yessssss! This is basic to the whole discussion -- but lots of people of BOTH genders don't know how to do stuff that used to be basic to either. Not that it redeems the douchebag ads but if we take any message away, it should be: Try to become a useful human being because you never know -- there's a reason your grandparents knew how to do stuff (Depression, war, times of need), and it could happen to you. Be prepared.

Here is a complete list of the tools I am proficient with:

screwdriver
hammer
adjustable wrench
paint roller

I am lost if you hand me a saw, a ratchet, a planer, a trawl, a propane torch, etc etc.

xp Also because knowing stuff is super fun!

hanging drywall was just something i threw out there as an example of a difficult "masculine" skill tbh

I can make a pie crust. My pie crusts have gotten rave reviews, actually. Granted, they were from my mother, but my mother would actually tell me if the pie crust sucked.

ratchets are for clapping IMO

Right?...

que i am with you 100% about skill acquisition but on the topic of the thread, these list books are presenting these as gendered skills without which, well, you're just not manifesting your true manhood

just sayin' you're reading a lot into these books, probably stuff the writers of the books haven't considered or thought about. i doubt the authors of the books would think you weren't a real man.

Also because knowing stuff is super fun!

100% could not agree more

Yessssss! This is basic to the whole discussion -- but lots of people of BOTH genders don't know how to do stuff that used to be basic to either

different people have different ideas of "basic", and this is fine, and worse than not knowing how to do stuff is being the kind of asshole who judges people based on whatever skill sets they have/don't have

Jesus, busy thread.

Just stopped in to say that this

http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/images/BodyGlide.jpg

puts an end to chub rub issues (chafing, aka in parts of the South as "galding" (sp?), in spanish "rosar").

because knowing stuff is super fun!

YES! Valuing knowing how to do stuff leads inevitably to knowing how to do stuff. If you care, if it matters to you, even if it's just because it's fun, you'll figure it out.

btw que i also recently made my first pie crust from scratch, too. let's have a bake-off to see who is more manly!

let's have a bake off to see who is more ~~delicious~~

also high fives, pie crusts rule

I bet there are a lot more men in the world right now who can replace an ethernet card, program a nanny-cam, or repair a mother board than men who can build a deck. I do not think this makes then especially vaginal.

(At least, I hope not.)

worse than not knowing how to do stuff is being the kind of asshole who judges people based on whatever skill sets they have/don't have

I am 100% okay with being that asshole, not about gendered stuff nec but about the idea of practical utility in general. People who don't know how to do everyday things that need doing...eh my patience for that is v short. My roommate is one of them, this causes me some domestic distress pretty much weekly.

xp kenan probably otm

my pie crust uses vodka! -- though scotch would be manlier (and perhaps inedible)